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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 07:14, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

West Hudson, New Jersey[edit]

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Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Hudson, New Jersey, I have never heard of anyone using this term nor can it be found in reliable sources. WP:GEOLAND requires "non-trivial coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources." Rusf10 (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Utterly absurd: none of the sources provided even use the phrase "West Hudson". Lack of definitive google results seems to fall under WP:A11. Reywas92Talk 08:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added:

"Bird's-eye view of the West Hudson towns--Harrison & East Newark, Kearny & Arlington, N.J." Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA.
Jersey, The (9 March 2012). "West Hudson St. Patrick's Day parade to traverse through Harrison, East Newark, and Kearny". nj.com.
"West Hudson: A Cradle of American Soccer". homepages.sover.net.
Shkolnikova, Svetlana (27 June 2018). "World Cup an obsession in soccer-loving New Jersey towns". AP NEWS. Retrieved 20 June 2019.

Djflem (talk) 11:58, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Typical "nothing can be deleted" argument. All the policies mentioned are meaningless when the topic does not even pass WP:V. The existence of an obscure soccer team from the early 20th century is completely irrelevant here. Find a source that actually refers to the towns themselves as "West Hudson"--Rusf10 (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Hudson County. It barely passes Notability IMO (and barely notable is still notable), with the archived source here stating that New Jersey boasts its own self-contained soccer culture in West Hudson, the western section of Hudson County between Newark International Airport and the Meadowlands, an urban island bounded by the Passaic River and New Jersey Turnpike. (emphasis mine) and the archived Portal Bridge source here stating that The area now occupied by the ‘West Hudson’ towns of Kearny and Harrison. Having said that, I think the article as it currently is is full of padding and would be better off in the main Hudson County article. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:22, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep historical and current colloquial name for the western part of Hudson County.Djflem (talk) 22:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It most certainly is not a colloquial name. Having lived in New Jersey, I have never even once heard anyone use this name. And if it is historical as you claim, then you should have no problem providing sources. (and not those that just refer to some obscure soccer team)--Rusf10 (talk) 22:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Having lived in New Jersey, I have never even once heard anyone use this name. Rusf10 having heard is not a criterium, you know? But now you have.

Added to artcle:

"Bird's-eye view of the West Hudson towns--Harrison & East Newark, Kearny & Arlington, N.J." Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA.
Jersey, The (9 March 2012). "West Hudson St. Patrick's Day parade to traverse through Harrison, East Newark, and Kearny". nj.com.
"West Hudson: A Cradle of American Soccer". homepages.sover.net.
Shkolnikova, Svetlana (27 June 2018). "World Cup an obsession in soccer-loving New Jersey towns". AP NEWS. Retrieved 20 June 2019.

Djflem (talk) 12:04, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete As with the North Hudson article, this article's badly WP:SYNTH. The region on its own doesn't pass WP:GNG as the only clear definition comes from an article on the history of soccer. It's also not legally defined per WP:GEO. SportingFlyer T·C 05:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That claim disregards this historial map "Bird's-eye view of the West Hudson towns--Harrison & East Newark, Kearny & Arlington, N.J." Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA., making it untrue.
What does the link Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates have to do with 'legally defined'?, which is not expressed anywhere? have posed question at here too.Djflem (talk) 08:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Meant WP:GEOLAND, sorry. That map doesn't define the term "West Hudson." SportingFlyer T·C 02:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional contemporary uses not used in article:
Clara Maass Medical Center West Hudson Division
"West Hudson Archives". Hudson County View. West Hudson byline
Mota, Caitlin (30 August 2017). "Here's how much Hudson County's 12 mayors make each year". nj.com. Santos has been mayor of the West Hudson town for 17 years
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:HEY @Rusf10:@SportingFlyer:@Reywas92:Referencese which need to be addressed:

"Bird's-eye view of the West Hudson towns--Harrison & East Newark, Kearny & Arlington, N.J." Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540 USA.
Jersey, The (9 March 2012). "West Hudson St. Patrick's Day parade to traverse through Harrison, East Newark, and Kearny". nj.com.
"West Hudson: A Cradle of American Soccer". homepages.sover.net. The name West Hudson refers to the western part of Hudson County, lying between the Hackensack and Passaic rivers as they flow southward toward Newark Bay. A century-and-a-half ago, the West Hudson area was all a single municipality, Harrison Township, named in 1841 for recently deceased President William Henry Harrison. In 1867, all but the built-up southwestern tip of the township seceded from Harrison and took the name of Kearny, named after local Civil War hero Gen. Phillip Kearny. In 1895, a tiny area along the Passaic River (but a crucial area to soccer history) seceded from Kearny and became the borough of East Newark, which sometimes has been mistakenly referred to as being a part of the city of Newark.
Shkolnikova, Svetlana (27 June 2018). "World Cup an obsession in soccer-loving New Jersey towns". AP NEWS. Retrieved 20 June 2019. Other towns don't have the history of Kearny, Harrison or their fellow West Hudson community of East Newark
Daniel Kleinwith guidance from Cynthia Harris and John Beekman (December 10, 2013). "The Paul F. Franco Collection(1724-1975)" (PDF). Jersey City Public Library. p. 2. Retrieved June 25, 2019. Newspaper clippings from the Hudson Dispatch's "From By-Gone Days of Old Hudson County" feature...illustrate some of the history of Jersey City, Hoboken and the North Hudson towns...Not or hardly represented in the collection are the West Hudson municipalities of East Newark, Harrison and Kearny.
Quinnoct, Bill (October 7, 1973). "East Newark Finds Its Name Confusing". East Newark, which celebrated its 75th anniversary three years ago, was established as a municipality in 1895. From Colonial days until 1710, all of West Hudson came under the jurisdiction of Newark. West Hudson, which also includes the Towns of Harrison and Kearny, then were made part of Bergen County until 1840, when Hudson County was created...All of West Hudson took the name of Harrison after President William Henry Harrison and retained that label until 1867 when the northern section of Harrison became Kearny. East Newark was part of Kearny until it moved for a separation in 1895.
  • Comment As with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Essex, (a distinct part of Essex County, New Jersey) which the Wikipedia community has overwhelmingly decided is a place, both West Hudson and North Hudson are recognizable distinct regions. To keep one and not others is inconsistent and diminishes Wikipedia's validity as a encyclopedia.
Djflem (talk) 08:45, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Djflem (talk) 00:25, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The term West Hudson has significance--mainly demographic today, but resulting from specific historic events and geography not mentioned in the article. Give me a week or so and I can edit to explain/cite and otherwise improve. Cjschopfer (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 06:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While it's disappointing to see some sources added here that do not support what they purport to (The Medium article "The Rise and Fall of American Soccer" says ...working class communities in the industrial West Hudson region of New York, New Jersey and Philadelphia... Huh?) along with others that only refer to the established towns in the region, not West Hudson, there is still just enough coverage of this name, especially in some of the technical sources, to prove that this is a place. The article should be moved to West Hudson. StonyBrook (talk) 10:35, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:HEY. This is a well-sourced article about a definable place. "Importance" is not the same as notability, which this passes. Bearian (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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