Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Watseka

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The result was keep. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Watseka[edit]

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Not seeing anything that satisfies WP:BIO. She married three times and had children. You need a bit more than that. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on the strength of this biography, this historical plaque, and the claim that a city (with the same name) was possibly named after her. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Citizen Potawatomi Nation Cultural Heritage Center (source of Eastmain's first link) has a number of biographies of people of interest to the Potawatomis; some subjects are notable and others are equally unnotable, e.g. Francis Xavier Bergeron, Daniel Borassa. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 06:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's an awful lot of small towns out there with eponymous names, that doesn't necessarily mean the person is notable. Reywas92^Talk 14:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on Eastmain's statement. A chief's daughter with a clear lasting legacy. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I typically give more leeway to include historical figures whose name and story has stood the test of time and endures to our day. In my opinion, this is in-line with the spirit of WP:GNG and the founding desire for Wikipedia to be as much the depository of human knowledge as possible while also maintaining credibility for being as close to accurate as possible. In this case, if she was of note for the Potawatomi people then she is notable enough to be included provided sources can be found for everything in the article. Anything not sourced should be removed. We can not go completely on oral traditions here on the encyclopedia. --ARose Wolf 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - based on statements by Eastmain, Pyrrho the Skeptic, and ARoseWolf, along with an article in Daily Journal, a post by the Bourbonnais Grove Historical Society, pages 6-7 of History of Iroquois County: Together with Historic Notes on the Northwest by Hiram Williams Beckwith, page 82 of The New McGuffey Fourth Reader by William Holmes McGuffey, page 187 of Chicago Historical Society Collection, Vol. 4, page 70 of Transactions of the Illinois State Historical Society by Illinois State Historical Society, page 58 of Sandy Nestor's Indian Placenames in America, Vol. 1, and page 13 of Salem Ely's A Centennial History of the Villages of Iroquois and Montgomery and the Township of Concord, 1818 to 1918. And that's only scratching the surface (I only went to page 3 of a search for "Watseka Indian" as the latter word especially is likely to used in older texts. The fact that the OP did not find these sources, which are relatively easy to find on the internet, mostly through a simple search on Google Books, hints at the fact that this AFD was not done in good faith, unfortunately. It is sad to see. Historyday01 (talk) 17:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Clearly meets WP:GNG notability criteria. I've improved the article, adding three citations (thank you Eastmain and Historyday01 for your research) along with an image of her. There is a lot more that can be added to further improve the article as well. Netherzone (talk) 18:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dubious -- I am not seeing anything in the article to establish that she was notable or did anything but have a series of husbands. As I understand in it was quite common during the American settlement of the West for male settlers to take native wives. How is this different? Peterkingiron (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not dubious because verifiable significant coverage exists in multiple reliable sources over an extended period of time that talk about her - the very definition of GNG. Netherzone (talk) 23:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My view is that the bio is verifiable but not notable. Others may disagree. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peterkingiron I see you at every historical figure AfDs with WP:IDONTLIKE against many. Yes you can opinion is your own. VocalIndia (talk) 05:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as I'm inclined to agree with the fact there's still actual historic significance and substance therefore enough for an article showing this. VocalIndia (talk) 05:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.