Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warky T. Chocobo

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The result was delete. Jtn2002 gives no !vote. Cowlinator's initial statement does not talk about notability. And so is the case with the ip, Human v2.0, LTCb2412, Ril the Wordsmith... Cowlinator does provide some argument later on; but overall, with three well explained delete comments (including the nominator's), and a one keep !vote (which I'm only just about considering), this is a delete result. Wifione ^Message 17:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Warky T. Chocobo[edit]

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Non-notable personality whose voice credits are for fancruft. DasGreggo (talk) 04:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe Wikipedia's neutrality policy applies to misuse of Flag for Deletion. DasGreggo has come back to Wikipedia after a 6 year hiatus for the sole purpose of flagging this article. (see DasGreggo Contributions)

DasGreggo also falls into the same category an entertainer. This definitely violates Wikipedia's neutrality policy as this user ( a guest at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Blast_Chattanooga ) is the same level of personality. --Jtn2002 (talk) 05:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, "Fancruft" is not a valid reason for flagging an article for deletion. I will now quote the Wikipedia policy on fancruft (emphasis added): "As with most of the issues of What Wikipedia is not in Wikipedia, there is no firm policy on the inclusion of obscure branches of popular culture subjects. It is true that things labeled fancruft are often deleted from Wikipedia. This is primarily because articles labeled as fancruft are often poorly written, unwikified, non-neutral, unreferenced, or contain original research. These issues may contribute to deletion."

This article is not poorly written, unwikified, non-neutral, unreferenced, and contains no original research.

To quote the same article again: "The term 'fancruft' is most commonly applied to fictional subjects". Please speedily undo this flag. --Cowlinator (talk) 05:46, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB page, SAG member, voice actor on Cardcaptor Sakura and video games. Well known in the con circuits. Speedy keep is my vote, this meets the criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.72.52 (talk) 06:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Having IMDb or SAG and being known in the con circuits are not inherently notable. Just being a voice actor is not good enough by itself. He is not in the Japanese original Cardcaptor Sakura, Fujitaka and Touya were voiced by Hideyuki Tanaka and Tomokazu Seki. He wasn't in the English redub, Fujitaka and Touya were renamed. So what one was he in? The fancruft "non-profit fan-based parody"? Not a notable production. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - Nominator's rational fails on all grounds, as mentioned above.Human.v2.0 (talk) 08:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep and Report Editor to WP:ANI -- This editor has a strong conflict of interest, and this article does not meet ANY criteria for an AFD. Furthermore, this article meets all requirements for WP:BLP. I will be posting this to both WP:ANI and WP:BLPN to alert other administrators. LTC b2412 Troops Talk RFC Inbox 14:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep Information is useful to people unfamiliar with Warky. Wikipedia is one of the best go-to sources for looking up something you don't know; as a more local celebrity, when Warky is listed as a guest to a con, con-goers may not know who he is. This page is a useful way to become informed as to who he is, what he does, and what to expect from him. Additionally, new fans may find out more about Warky via this page and where else they may find his works, growing in usefulness as Warky does more prominent roles in voice acting. Therefore this is not just fancruft, which, as mentioned, isn't actually against any Wikipedia rules anyway.Rii the wordsmith (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC). — Rii the wordsmith (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

WP:USEFUL. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move Move the article to be under Steve Nunez, not an alias. --PatrickD (talk) 21:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree, he is known under his stage name, which he has been using and promoting and is more known as Warky than Steve. A person's Wiki entry is listed by the name that they are most known for using, see Lady Gaga as one example of this. A disambiguation or redirect from Steve Nunez would be acceptable under Wiki Guidelines, but it would be impractical to move the article, as he is more commonly known under his alias than his actual name. LTC b2412 Troops Talk RFC Inbox 03:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Warky T. Chocobo lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The article is flooded with a lot of bad sources. Amazon, imdb, facebook, mormonwiki, linkedin. Not usable. Official pages, primary, not independent. Passing mentions, him talking about himself. His "notable credits" for Prophecy Of The Flame, CardCaptor Sakura: Abridged and Gun Loco are not good enough for WP:ENT. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The bad sources should be removed. The article also contains sources which are reliable and published. Could you please point out where his is "talking about himself?" I cannot find any such POV in the article. His "notable credits" are Heroes of Newearth (460,000 unique players) and Dungeon Fighter Online (300 million registered users), and the fact that he is the only Mormon Parodist, which means he has made unique contributions to a field of entertainment (see WP:ENT). --Cowlinator (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the bad sources, trivial mentions, him talking about himself (eg radio dmg), we are left with Deseret News (look what this local is doing) which by itself is not enough.

If those are his notable credits why does the infobox list the ones I mentioned? Why "He is probably best known as the voice of the Narrator in Prophecy Of The Flame" from a previous version of this article?

Where is the evidence of him having significant parts in these games? Where is the coverage of his parts? (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL).. (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL). Let’s look at reviews of Heroes of Newerth. In the four listed on that page, Game Informer, Game Revolution, GameZone, PC Gamer, there is no mention of Warky (or any actor). Are those games the right sort of production for WP:ENT? Reviews don't talk about actors, they focus on the gameplay. They are not like films, tv, plays were the actors are a major aspect, where people talk about them and their characters.

Is he really the only Mormon Parodist? WP:V? Even if he is, is that unique in any special way? There is a lot of Mormons. There is a lot of parodists. What makes the intersection special? Mormon Parodist isn't really a field of entertainment. You are unique in that you are only person editing Wikipedia as Cowlinator. Just being unique is not enough, there has to be something significant about it. duffbeerforme (talk) 01:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hi Duffbeerforme, and welcome to Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anybody can edit! If the information in the infobox does not display his notable credits, try clicking "edit" at the top of the page and fixing it!

Deseret News is not a local paper, it is an international Mormon paper, and Warky was not living in Utah at the time of the article anyway. There have also been news articles about him in the Pahrump Valley Times and Fox 12 Idaho.

Also, you are right: Video game reviews don't talk about the voice actors; yet this does not mean that we should remove video game credits from every voice actor's article. --Cowlinator (talk) 06:48, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the smartarsed reply, it was illuminating. You are the one claiming his notable credits are different to the infobox. Why in all the time you've spent on this article haven't you changed it? Why only bring it up at this afd?

Why then does Deseret say he does live in Utah? If you have other sources, provide details.

Noone has suggested to remove video game credits, why are you arguing against it? Building a strawman? duffbeerforme (talk) 23:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Multiple albums on two more-than-notable record labels meet WP:BAND --Cowlinator (talk) 03:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how he meet this for multiple reasons. I see no evidence HaleYeah! Records are notable (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL). Who is the other label you are claiming is "more-than-notable"? WP:MUSIC doesn't say notable label, it calls for "an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable". Who is on HaleYeah! Records roster? What history do they have? duffbeerforme (talk) 23:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per non-notable roles and Duffbeerforme's arguments. A lot of his roles seem to lack reliable sourcing also. I also want to note the users who voted keep are suspicious, where one's first edit was right here on this page (1 2 3 4). DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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