Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wahaj Ali (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. $Salvio$ ^{Let's talk about it!} 19:52, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wahaj Ali[edit]

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Not gonna CSD this as there is a claim of notability, but as far as I can tell only one of the sources actually mentions him, and that is just his name. Not seeing any notability. Slatersteven (talk) 11:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I think he is notable. He's been covered by the media, even has an IMDb page. ⭐ Ahmer Jamil Khan ^💬 13:34, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having a page on crowdsourced IMDb does not makes one notable. And how come the subject has been covered by the media? You need to demonstrate it by provide links to independent RS. --Saqib (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Even having a single credit in a single television episode is enough to earn someone an IMDb page. It doesn't mean that the person is notable or not notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The subject has appeared in a few TV series, but with minor roles. Fails to meet WP:ACTORBIO and even basic GNG. --Saqib (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he has had leading and prominent roles in multiple nationally broadcast tv series such as Zoya Sawleha, Hari Hari Churiyaan, Ahsas, Gila, Mera Dard Na Janay Koi and others so passes at least one criteria of WP:NACTOR, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And how can we verify it? --Saqib (talk) 18:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- - By doing a search under each series, which i'll aim to do tomorrow, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I just realized that this article was deleted almost a year ago (why do you think this is the second nomination?), but was recreated yesterday, for very similar reasons. funplussmart (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and it was recreated by the suspected sock of paid user User:Pakistanpedia. Saqib (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I've just searched several major resources for Wahaj Ali:
- Ebook Central, using the administrative interface (so I get results from all books, not just results from ones my library owns or subscribes) as well as the reader interface — zero results.
- EBSCOhost, a platform with 82 separate databases to which we subscribe — one result, an article co-authored by Wahaj Ali, "Enhancement in corrosion resistance by nano-structure Ni-Cr coating for boilers [sic] application" and published a year ago in the journal Science International. Obviously not the same person.
- ProQuest Central, a platform with 24 separate databases to which we subscribe — nothing useful
No coverage in the literature = no notability. Nyttend (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Since the subject is a Pakistani television actor, I would expect that if there are any good sources to use, they would most likely come from Pakistani newspapers, Pakistani pop culture magazines, and Pakistani pop culture websites. A database that covers scholarly journals wouldn't be of much use in researching the subject. Do those databases cover the Pakistani sources that would be relevant here? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - No. They provide reliable sources in many languages from all over the world, including Pakistan, but they do not include unreliable sources like the ones you list. The relevant types of publications indexed in these databases are books and academic journals in media studies and history: they are the reliable sources in the field, not newspapers, magazines, or ordinary websites with no credentials. Nyttend (talk) 05:00, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - If we could only rely on books and academic journals, without newspapers or magazines being treated as reliable sources, we would have a hard time writing biographical articles about many contemporary actors, musicians, and athletes, other than the highest echelon of the most established and prominent ones. I -- and, I suspect, many other Wikipedians -- would prefer not to impose such a restriction, and I don't think that standard reflects the current guidelines per WP:RS. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have not had time to do a full search yet but ruling out all newspapers and magazines in favour of academic sources for a non academic subject is ridiculous, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The page was deleted a year ago for failing WP:GNG and was recently recreated without the lack of notability issue being resolved. His presence on IMDB adds nothing of value to his notability. Newshunter12 (talk) 10:17, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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