Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vladimir Correa (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Correa[edit]

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No significant coverage found, and fails WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 14:03, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Vladimir Correa was one of the most popular gay pornographic actors of the late 1980s and early 1990s. He started a new trend in pornography of a gay pornographic actor appearing in bisexual films. He often was featured as the star nude dancer at various pornographic theatres that had nude dancers in major metropolitan areas. The many films he appeared in (listed in the article) were best-sellers. His dark "Latino Lover" looks and muscular physique is part of what made him so popular. The gay pornographic awards did not come into existence until the late 1990s so that is apparently why he wasn't nominated for one. There are many important regular actors who never got Academy Awards. The article is very well referenced with many third party sources. THERE IS NO REASON TO DELETE THIS ARTICLE. Keraunos (talk) 00:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The AVN Awards covered gay porn from 1986 to 1998, during most of Correa's career (1986–2001). If Vladimir Correa made these great contributions to porn, reliable or even semi-reliable sources would have been around to acknowledge them. • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As I pointed out in the initial AFD, no claim to meeting WP:PORNBIO, no indication the subject satisfies the GNG. The "references" go entirely to unreliable sources, sources which simply recite castlists or otherwise provide no significant information on the subject, or sources which mention the subject in passing without providing any encyclopedic information. This is a BLP bolstered by bogus sourcing. As Gene93k accurately notes above, the porn industry provided its own recognition of performers in same-sex films during the period the performer was active (see also List of gay pornography awards. GBooks search turns up no significant references to the subject in histories of the genre, although such works have supported claims of notability for other performers. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, with regret. Although I would like to think that Correa had notability, and I agree that he was popular during his career, I cannot find any way in which he meets WP:PORNBIO. I'm all for inclusion of gay performers but I just can't muster a reasonable argument to retain this article. Ubelowme (talk) 20:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you all are applying the WP:PORNBIO policy too rigidly. Gay pornography was not a highly organized industry before the late 1990s like it is now. It was hard to get an AVN award because then gay pornography was a subgenre of the main pornography industry. There were not huge numbers of awards offered like there are now. The many popular, well known, and significant gay pornographic movie stars of the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s would not be able to meet the WP:PORNBIO criteria so there should be different criteria for those whose careers took place in the 1980s and before. Keraunos (talk) 11:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If anything Keraunos says is verifiable, it needs to be sourced and added to the article, not the AFD.

Hipocrite (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- According to the AVN Award article, there were no gay awards given out before 1990 at all. After that, there were only about four or five gay awardd per year until 1998 when the GayVN Awards began to be given out in large numbers. So the WP:PORNBIO criteria are invalid before 1998 and need to be changed. Keraunos (talk) 16:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Until this policy is changed we need to use it. Which means that porn bios of Gay potn stars are not considered notable. 15:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Delete this article - it has no place in an encyclopedia and does not pass WP:GNG nor makes a clear statement of who the article is realy about - what they guys name? I don't think there is any reason to keep this article if this basic question cannot be adressed since it is impossible to verify who this article is about.OrenBochman 15:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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