Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivien Keszthelyi (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Vanamonde (talk) 11:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vivien Keszthelyi[edit]

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Amateur driver who fails WP:NMOTORSPORT criteria. Corvus tristis (talk) 06:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She appears to meet WP:GNG directly through substantial independent coverage. Largoplazo (talk) 06:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails any sort of notability guidelines. The page is also very clearly personally sourced; a clear message needs to be sent to people that we are serious to avoid this from happening more often. The page should only be reinstated if she qualifies for the W Series and does well in it. Holdenman05 (talk) 11:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails notability guidelines. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:48, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question/comment Are these not sources suitable for meeting WP:GNG? [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

Qualification for the W series isn't required for a person to meet the general notability guidelines. Lee Harvey Oswald, for example, never qualified for the W series. (The fact that a person falls into a category to which one of the specific notability guidelines is applicable doesn't cancel out the applicability of the general guidelines.) Largoplazo (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, these sources not suitable for meeting WP:GNG. Corvus tristis (talk) 06:02, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiosity, are you disagreeing that these sources are one or more of: multiple, substantial, independent, reliable, secondary? Largoplazo (talk) 06:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They do not look like to be substantial. For the countries that haven't much racers, even amateur series driver is an achievement, so the local media are eager to cover it. But does she notable for the international media? I don't think so. Corvus tristis (talk) 09:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:GNG Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 20:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment, nominator states above "But does she notable for the international media? I don't think so.", since when does WP:GNG require coverage to be by international media? Coolabahapple (talk) 14:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure about the reliability of the provided sources and that she has a 'significant coverage' in the sources. Also I have doubts that she satisfy "Presumed" criterion. So, the fact she passes WP:GNG have not proven yet. Corvus tristis (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As Largoplazo has noted, there are certainly enough sources which are suitable for meeting WP:GNG. That is all that is required. The Nom seems to vary in how they consider the sources aren't adequate, sometimes saying they are not substantial (no, they're not books, but they are definitely not trivial), sometimes saying they are not reliable, sometimes that they don't add up to significant coverage ..... and then that they are not "international"! I do not find any of those comments convincing - this is a definite keep on WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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