Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vinny Griffin

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The result was merge to List of Family Guy characters. Ged UK 13:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vinny Griffin[edit]

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We don't really know a whole lot about the character of Vinny Griffin (or is it Vinnie?) at this point in time, except that he's going to be a recurring character for at least the next few episodes. I suggest we delete the page and redirect to List of Family Guy characters at least until his character becomes more developed, or if having a separate page for him is even necessary. Even Joe Swanson and Carter Pewterschmidt don't have separate pages. Jgera5 (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This seems a bit premature. He's appeared in one episode. I'm not sure he passes the WP:NOTABILITY test yet. Kjscotte34 (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Right now, Vinny is the replacement pet on the show. He currently occupies a central role left vacant by a recently deceased character on the show. Therefore, his character should have a page. Silver Buizel (talk) 18:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning toward Delete : not a significant character (yet?). Definitely does not have much notability other than being new to the show. Support a redirect until such time as he becomes notable enough to warrant his own article. DP76764 (Talk) 21:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Or redirect to Family Guy's main article. I don't think Vinny needs a separate article. TJD2 (talk) 04:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. For the reasons outlined above, really. Until Vinny has been in more than a few episodes and proves to be a significant character, he should just have a bio on the List of Family Guy characters page, especially since there are indications that his character may not be a permanent fixture on the show. NotGaryStu (talk) 21:13, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Wait until more about Vinny is known, then write an article for him. He should only have an article if he is a prominent character like the rest of the Griffin family, Cleveland, or Quagmire. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The creators of the show have indicated that Brian is gone and Vinnie is the replacement; while it is possible that this is a publicity stunt, ostensibly there is no greater authority on the character than the writers. Saying that we should "wait and see" is like suggesting that - upon the release of say, American dad - we waited to see what happened to Roger before we made an article. There's always uncertainty, but in cases like this we should trust word of God (we can always move it later). Liempt (talk) 16:43, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Change my vote to Merge I never even thought about a redirect. Good idea. As far him replacing a central character on the show -- yes he has. But that doesn't make the new character a central character. How do we know how he's going to feature in future episodes? What if he's killed off next Sunday? The point is, he has not yet met the criteria for notability. By this logic, then Chris' Evil Monkey should have his own page since an entire episode was written with him as the central character. I'm not against Vinny getting a page in the future, but let him "earn" it, for lack of a better cliche. Kjscotte34 (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Family Guy characters. It is much too soon to provide this subject with its own article, but it also makes little sense to delete the article since the character exists and is slated to play a part in the Family Guy series. And Adoil Descended (talk) 17:45, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Vinny regardless of the length he will be on Family Guy should have his own page. He is the resulting controversy of Brian's death. --Matt723star (talk) 20:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Change Or it could be changed to an article just about Brian's death. His death is causing significant coverage as it's one of the first shocking deaths of its era. --Matt723star (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge/redirect to character list There's no inherent notability for "pet in family guy", so even if he's replacing the old dog this is still subject to our usual standards for notability of fictional characters.--Yaksar (let's chat) 09:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to character list Vinny, and his voice actor, are listed as guest stars, so until there's indication this is a permanent character, a separate article is unnecessary. GSK ✉ ✓ 17:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect / Merge: ~~I don't support the merging or changing at all (in which it should be removed from the characters article also).~~ Like Kjscotte34 said, the character has only been in one episode, in which we don't know if the character will be in the show permanently, or longer to be exacted. So right now, the character is not that important (likable) to rumors, fan base, nor the show that can lead up to create an article about it. I would recommend redirecting it to the episode where was first introduced, or to merge the info of the character to the characters article under the section recurring characters, because of right now, creating an article about the character is just too fast, especially when fans of Family Guy are telling producers, especially Seth to get rid of Vinny (or whatever it's name is), and to bring back Brian, in which I fully support that. Blurred Lines 19:22, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He's not notable and fails WP:GNG. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 00:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep-Vinny is a major character in the series now, even though he only appeared in half an episode. Joe needs a page too! Just 'cause he appeared in 1 episode doesn't mean he isn't a main character already! 76.220.66.126 (talk) 03:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No prejudice to later re-creation, but we don't know if this character will appear beyond a set amount of episodes. For now, they've barely appeared in part of an episode in a long series. We're under no WP:DEADLINE and we can wait for more sources to develop. Nate • (chatter) 04:14, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Joe definitely needs an article of his own, but it is too soon to have one for Vinny. As I mentioned above, we should wait until more is known about him before making him an article. One episode appearance by itself does not make a character notable enough to have an article. Until then, it should be redirected to the List of Family Guy characters page. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:17, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Family Guy Characters with absolutely no prejudice of recreating the page later (say, at the end of the season) depending on Vinny's role in the show. While I expect he will replace Brian as a main character in the series, Wikipedia is not the place for speculation. Frank Anchor^Talk 21:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Sorry, but a one time appearance (as of now) doesn't warrant a full article. Copy the current text to List of Family Guy Characters. If, at a later time, it is shown this is anything other than a few guest appearances (after all, Tony Sirico isn't an easy get) it can be restored. --Boston Burkenation (talk) 05:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. At the moment, Vinny has only appeared in one episode and his voice actor (Tony Sirico) has only signed with the show, for six episodes. Until Vinny has appeared in over ten episodes, or until the producers make a clear confirmation regarding his future on the show, this article should be deleted. For instance, Adam West and Jillian (Family Guy characters) have appeared in more episodes and are definitely recurring, should they get their own pages?? Even Joe Swanson doesn't have his own page!! Vinny, at this moment in time, is only a recurring, support character. It hasn't been confirmed that he is a permanent replacement to Brian! Reduolf13 (talk) 18:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Although I am leaning towards delete/redirect for Vinny Griffin Reduolf13, Mayor West does have his own page, as does Herbert. That's not to say that should be a precedent, but Mayor West does have his own page. Jgera5 (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the List of Family Guy Characters, however trim all the unsourced content currently in the article, and the content related to the Brian controversy, that can be found in the Brian Griffin article. At this point we have no idea how significant this character will be. The mentioned ones that do have articles, they are much more significant and have been covered significantly in reliable sources. STATic message me! 22:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now, per Notability. Compact current text and redirect to List of Family Guy Characters. Can restore at later time per what the show does with the character. AlaskaDave (talk) 07:45, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It appears that Vinny is a new member of the Griffin family, replacing Brian. Therefore it is expected that he will have a starring role, particularly I expect in upcoming episodes to reveal more about his life and to normalise the new role. To delete the article and then to bring it back later would be foolish in my opinion. DaveMReilly talk 14:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If or when that happens, we can discuss it then. No point creating pages based solely on peoples expectations or guesses at this point. AlaskaDave (talk) 01:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per StaticVapor. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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