Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Villains in Power Rangers Samurai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 01:28, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Villains in Power Rangers Samurai[edit]

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Declined Prod. Prod reason was "Content fork from Power_Rangers_Samurai#Villains. We don't need descriptions of every antagonist of the episode." Hasteur (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ammended: Content on this page is very qualifying for a merge to the main article. Article is also unreferenced and lacking independent reliability. As such this article warrants deletion Hasteur (talk) 19:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon? It was just split off from the main article. Character lists are allowed to do this.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Let this page stay. We should have more details about the main villains and any villains who become more recurring. Rtkat3 (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:CRYSTAL. This page is not substantially larger than the page it is expanding on. This page is also unreferences. Hasteur (talk) 16:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article has only just been started and will likely build up into a completely valid list of characters that is allowed on Wikipedia as the content will only clutter the parent Power Rangers Samurai article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Again, please read WP:CRYSTAL. Feel free to userfy but in it's current iteration it violates Notability, independent reliable sources, and does not expand meaningfuly on what is in the main article for the series. I'm not on a crusade against these articles, I'm applying Wikipedia's Policies. Hasteur (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a violation of WP:CRYSTAL either. Perhaps you can clarify which bulletpoint a list of characters of a month-or-so old television program violates.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"just been started and will likely build up into a" That's a future and speculative reasoning. The content that is in this page that is not in the series page is small enough that we can easily leave it in the main. Hasteur (talk) 18:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That is in no way a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. It's not speculative to believe that a recently created article will expand into a larger and more well written article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Does not violate any wikipedia rules, and certainley does not violate WP:CRYSTAL. Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Power Rangers Samurai#Villains: Per WP:Notability which says "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." Powergate92Talk 00:32, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This article was recently split off. Merging it back is redundant.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:35, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Recently split off or not, this should not have it's own article per WP:Notability. Powergate92Talk 00:40, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Again, you are not knowledged in what a proper application of WP:SPINOUT and WP:SAL are. As established in similar AFDs, lists are not subject to the same notability guidelines as standard articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - WP:Splitting says "but only if the new articles are themselves sufficiently notable to be included in the encyclopedia", WP:SAL says "Stand-alone lists are Wikipedia articles; thus, they are equally subject to Wikipedia's content policies", and WP:Notability#Stand-alone lists says "Notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. A list topic is considered notable if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines". Powergate92Talk 01:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        It's being split off as a list which is only short right now. Give it time to expand and as I have told you in the past, finding reliable sources for programs of this nature is going to be difficult because no one in the mainstream press will even think of covering a kiddie show.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:51, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Take a look at WP:SPINOUT again... Main article length and sub-article length combined does not exceed the 30k guideline. Even if this were true, we still couldn't support this article because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (WP:IINFO). As such the individual "Monster of the Episode" section doesn't qualify for inclusion as each of these are unsourced entireley and consist of a significant plot summary for the episode. If we do drop the "Monster" section this comes down to almost the exact same content as the section we propose to merge to. Hasteur (talk) 22:28, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Ryulong, you say that previous AfDs along similar topics have passed. Can you please provide concrete links to them here so that we can evaluate if the precedent is valid? Hasteur (talk) 22:28, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        The only one that comes to mind is WP:Articles for deletion/List of Kamen Rider Ryuki characters, however the content there was able to be referenced because the Japanese media will release magazines and books and mooks (books with magazine-like pages) on these topics. In American media, this is not going to be as prevalent. The "Monster of the episode" section could very well be shortened down to simple bulleted list entries, but that is beside the point. The fact is that these articles were created so that character lists could be made considering the program has been on for over a month and that should give plenty opportunity to write more than one sentence on the character which would be better suited for separate character lists rather than turning the article into a series of lists of characters.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Again WP:Notability says "if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." So if you can't find reliable third-party sources for the info in this article then it should not be a separate article right now. Powergate92Talk 01:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        This is a list. Not an article. Lists are held to a different standard than normal articles because of the nature of the content.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have to agree with Ryulong on this one. This never happened to the other villain pages for Power Rangers. Rtkat3 (talk) 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Rtkat3, you can't vote 2 times. Powergate92Talk 04:06, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:All of the other PR series have a villian page, therefore, by the end of the season, the article will be long enough User:cooluncle55 1833, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.