Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vikash Verma

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Vikash Verma

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Coverage mentions him in passing. Perhaps his film is notable, it does seem to be getting some publicity (but pretty much all I see is the usual press-release rewrites in Indian media). All he has (according to the article) is " the prestigious Bihar Government Award for rekindling bilateral ties between India and Poland" (also our article seems incomplete, his filmography starts in 2021 but he got an local gov't award already in 2017??). Sadly, in the current form there is nothing to confirm this reward is really prestigious, nor that the subject meets NBIO, but there is plenty to suggest we are dealing with the run-of-the-mill attempt to use Wikipedia to promote someone (without following WP:COI practices - the account that created this bio has written several others that are very similar, but no COI declaration has been made). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

A note to administer Sir, I beleive this person passes GNG as he has multiple reliable news sources as The Hindu, New Indian Express, Times of India, Mid Day, Outlook, IANS. Apart from this he has many good articles. I request you to check properly and then make a decision. Thank You. Suchayaar (talk) 16:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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As per my knowledge and requirement of Wikipedia:General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement, a person is notable if he is mentioned in list of secondary credible source of wikipedia which says “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.”

The page “Vikash Verma” is surely falling under it, the person’s name is having a significant coverage in five credible sources which are on the list of reliable sources of wikipedia i.e. The Hindu, The New Indian Express, Telegraph, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. On searching “Vikash Verma” we can see a knowledge panel created by google and a number of Gnews coverage on regular basis. Besides this there are more than 500 national and international (Polish, American, UK etc.) media coverage which cannot be considered as trivial coverage and simply ignored. Also, these articles do not fall under press release category and are in-depth on the subject.

We have read and known about him since our childhood. Since the internet came to India lately, many news about him were in the traditional newspapers. But still if you trace the person's media coverage uptil now, you can find the person has got regular and significant online media coverage from 2001 to 2021, i.e. almost 20 years. Starting from article on Rediff.com and various others till date.

Not only this, “Vikash Verma” is credited for the bollywood blockbuster film “Lagaan” which was released in 2001. His contribution in the films like Deewangee (2002), Padamshree Lalu Prasad (2005) as actor, Bhoomi(2017), PM Narendra Modi (2019) fulfilling the criteria of notability of creative professionals.

Last but not least, as you see, Vikash Verma is the director of the movie “No Means No”, which is already acclaimed by various credible media sites as India’s first Indo-Polish film. So, being director of India’s first Indo-polish films, this person is itself an encyclopedia worthy topic and again qualifying for the notability criteria for creative professional.

So if you look into the whole journey of the person from providing security services to Bill clinton, Sanjay dutt, Steave Seagel, Vinod Khanna, etc., acting and assisting various renowned movies(including Lagaan) and directing India’s first Indo-Polish film which is already acclaimed by credible media houses, Vikash verma is qualifying the notability guidelines of wikipedia and deserves a standalone page as per my understanding or please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.

So please, it's a humble request to consider these factors and KEEP the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashitamlk (talk • contribs) 12:37, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

• Comment First thing is I am not involved in any kind of COI. I create articles in my free time as a hobby.

About Vikash Verma's article - According to the news sources He passes GNG as he has impressive and enough coverage in multiple reliable sources. About Bihar Government Award-  I saw this on a news article that's why I added it. If you feel anything wrong with it then I can remove it but I feel there is no issue to have this award on the article. Apart from this, You should check all news articles again. Suchayaar (talk) 01:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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I want KEEP this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmartSameer Patil (talk • contribs) 16:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete A great attempt to disguise itself as a good article. Films might be notable as per their coverage but he needs more to become notable. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 06:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:GNG and its WP:TOOSOON. Powerful Karma (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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1. I am of the view that the person has quite a few notable achievements. And am surprised and shocked to see that the article on Vikash Verma is put under article for deletion.

1. There are innumerable independent and in-depth article showing up on GNews.
   1. Polish Media News
      1. Article in Polish Media 01
      2. Article in Polish Media 02
   2. Indian Express
      1. Article
   3. Outlook
      1. Article
   4. Lokmat
      1. Article
   5. Hindu
      1. Article
   6. Times of India
      1. Article
2. Upon finding an article in The Telegraph which is on the list of reliable sources, his name is with  Mr. Bill Clinton, the President of the United States, during his presidency, as a security cover during visit to India.
3. His in-depth and independent articles are featured in all the three media sources viz. The Hindu, The New Indian Express, and also in Telegraph, which are under the reliable sources list of Wikipedia.
4. A tweet from the Polish Government (Polish Embassy) in support of the effort taken by Vikash Verma to strengthen the bilateral relation between India & Poland, and also a tweet from the Indian High Commissioner to Canada, Mr. Ajay Bisaria.
5. Ms. Margaret Pepek who has supported Mr. Vikash Verma, in the making of the film and had personally handed over a letter of support to him.
6. Hence the phrase “run-of-the-mill attempt” doesn’t sound appropriate and uncalled for.
7. There are thousands of other articles in Indian, as well as worldwide Media including the Polish Media sources such as Times of India and so on which dates back since 2017 and can’t be doubted. There are new coverages since 2017, even in Polish Media. One More News Article on Polish Media, and also this article on Telewizja Republika.
8. In one article of ANI News, Vikash Verma is known as the showman in India, and when his famous colour(Holi) party cancels because of pandemic, it becomes a news and that can be supported on various news articles listed when searched on GNews, and Google Search.
9. After going through the article on pressreader.com, I found that The Hindustan Times Supplement HTCafe had carried the news in the year 2017, and also  the well known entertainment news channel of Bollywood MovieTalkies has written in-depth article about the award being given. This award was given in 2017 by the Government of Bihar, to Vikash Verma for setting up bilateral relationship between 2 countries not for film No means No, along side the world renowned film director Mr. Imtiaz Ali, and the world famous actor Mr. Sanjay Dutt and others. The award cannot be ignored as its not listed on Wikipedia. This is not the only one award he has got, he has also received a Mid-day/Jagran award which is a notable award.
10. Vikash Verma is not part of only one film and his filmography doesn’t start in 2021, but from the year 2004, where he was part of the making of the film Lagaan, which is showing on the credits of the film. Other films in which he was part of the films are Dewaangi, PM Modi, Bhoomi and he himself has acted in the movie Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav which is been featured on Rotten Tomatoes , Metacritics which are under reliable sources of wikipedia. (Source IMDB)
11. There are very many print article available to view.
12. In search for details on Vikash Verma, he is the person who has been on various social media accounts, he has been followed by more than 2,00,000 (two hundred thousand) followers.

My learned author might have overlooked and request Sir Piotirus, to please let the article stay in the interest of the two countries and the effort put in for it. Archiedesai (talk) 07:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

A quick note on "Polish media". [1] fails SIGCOV, it mentions that a Polish actress is playing in an Indian movie, one sentence mentions said movie is directed by VV. [2] is a very badly written and chaotic piece (possibly machine translated from English) on some very minor website that almost certainly is not a WP:RS, and anyway it also fails SIGCOV. I have a feeling there is some socking/COI/PAID/VANITY issue(s) here too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

I have been following Mr. Vikash Verma since last twenty years and I am an admirer of him and his works .

Let me address the issues raised by your good self as follows:

1. Its is difficult to understand that how a person not be notable if a media source has picked up the content from some source and has used some translation tool. How does that concern the subject on which the article is written? The coverage on the renowned news channel like Telewizja Republika and that too which was covered in the year 2017, are also to be doubted and questionable? Surprising to see The tweet 01, tweet 02, Tweet 03 from the the Polish Government and also tweet from the Indian High Commissioner to Canada, Mr. Ajay Bisaria are also considered questionable?
2. The in-depth and detailed article in the “TIP - The Indian Panorama” published from Dallas & New York in the United States of America, is also to said as PAID/VANITY?
3. As you must have gone through the article in Lallan Top, wherein the writer has even mentions that the Vikash Verma deserves a biography written on him.
4. The award given to him for the trailer by Mid-Day/Jagran Group as mentioned in point number 9 of my previous comment has also gone unseen.
5. Ms. Malgorzata Pepek, Member of the Polish Parliament (SEJM), Chairperson of Indo-Polish Parliamentary Committee; herself in person is providing and honouring Mr. Vikash Verma with the letter of support and co-operation, for his cause to strengthening the bilateral relations of the two countries Poland & India, which speaks of the notability of a person in a foreign country.

Your statement “I have a feeling there is some socking/COI/PAID/VANITY” is a point of controversy wherein your good self is doubting on the independence and integrity of the Polish Media and the sources which are on the list of wikipedia's Reliable Sources.

Why do I have a feeling that purpose of this discussion is only to delete the page and not to evaluate all the supporting references which are from the Reliable Sources WP:RS provided for the article to stay, and make a judicious decision?

I am sure that the person who has written such impressive articles on wikipedia and I am quite impressed especially for the historical articles, will take a neutral view and decide accordingly. Archiedesai (talk) 09:46, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Archiedesai - Twenty years ago, according to the references you quote, Verma was working as the head of a security firm. Deb (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, because of the security, I have been following him after knowing that he was with Bill clinton as a security cover for him during his visit to India. I have already declared that I have been following him since long around 20 years now. His media coverage since that shows that he is a security expert and specialises in Kidnap recoveries. Archiedesai (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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  • I have come across this article on a media source "CineBlitz" wherein Vikash Verma's movie "No means No" has ben placed with the James Bond movie "No time to Die", is an interesting article, with both movies starting with the negative word "No" and hanging in balance. And in support there is one more article on IANS. This passes the General Notability guidelines of wikipedia WP:GNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by 01lt (talk • contribs) 11:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - despite the obvious numerous sockpuppet !votes, does not meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - Is this the same guy as User:Officialvikashverma56? Deb (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  No.. he is not a user on Wikipedia Archiedesai (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  This response suggests that you know him outside Wikipedia, which means that you have a conflict of interest. Deb (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  no because after your update I checked on the user.. and also him as a user on wikipedia Archiedesai (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  And have extensively gone through his articles in media and other sources.. Archiedesai (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  And how does this enable you to be sure that they are not the same person? Deb (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  Yes that way there could be a doubt.. can't be sure.. maybe my research wasn't adequate Archiedesai (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

  And also I checked the date of birth of both the persons are different.. this one is 17th May 1967 and the other one i.e. User:Officialvikashverma56 is September 1998.. but yet this is debatable Archiedesai (talk) 13:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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