Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vigoon "Phai" Boonthanom (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The argument that this is insufficiently sourced to satisfy WP:BIO has not been refuted. If this subject is found to be notable at a later date, the material may be restored for the purpose of creating a properly sourced article, but there is no value in userfying/"incubating" an article that maybe will turn out to be notable. Shereth 21:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vigoon "Phai" Boonthanom[edit]

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renomination due to lack of votes last time. fails WP:BIO. also non notable due to WP:ONEVENT. complete lack of coverage of this individual, [1], [2], google also reveals hardly anything [3] LibStar (talk) 12:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional Delete His death was tragic, however alone I agree it falls under BLP1E. Unless there are sources that show he was notable as a musician apart from his death, Delete is the right action.--Cube lurker (talk) 15:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Google would lack coverage, unless you searched his name using the Thai alphabet. MMetro (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

there is not even any thai WP article on this person. it may be the case this person is not notable in English WP. LibStar (talk) 06:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timotheus Canens (talk) 03:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's only 53,807 Thai Wikipedia articles, so although inclusion would guarantee notability, its coverage of anything is severely lacking, as nearly all non-European language Wikis are. We should not preclude notability because of cultural bias. We need his name in Thai script before we can assess his notability. MMetro (talk) 13:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to play devils advocate, if the article is deleted, and at a later date someone finds thai sources demonstrating additional notability, I'm sure recreation of the article would be accepted. However between the two nominations this page has been at AFD for 25-26 days and we haven't seen these any of these Thai articles.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned in the previous AfD, a Google search for his name in Thai[4] (ไวกูรส์ บุญถนอม) does return quite a few hits, even more for a combination of his nickname and first name,[5] but most of them concern either the incident or the single song on the First Stage Project 2 album which featured him; either don't seem to establish notability on their own, but they should be considered together. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 04:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for his name, Paul. I copied his name onto my cousins' Facebook pages to see if there is any recognition among themselves or their Thai friends. I'll ask for what he's done, sources, etc. If I feel that the information is there, and just not easily accessible in English or by Google, I'd vote Keep. Otherwise, Delete is acceptable to me, and probably the right decision. Thanks to those who've extended the nominations to try to get a better consensus. And if by chance, there's some improvements to the article during my inquiry, maybe there is more to be said about him. MMetro (talk) 07:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Incubate. If he fails notability, this may be the appropriate solution. With his sister having been signed as a consequence of his death, should she reach notability, her article could use the background about her brother. We are very reluctant to delete, given the notability of the tragic circumstance, which means maybe we should try to save the article to the degree that Wikipedia will let us. MMetro (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable as a musician.....died in a freak accident which we could put under either WP:ONEVENT or WP:NOTNEWS. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.