Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria University of Wellington Debating Society

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please defer merge discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria University of Wellington Debating Society[edit]

Delete. Although it may be old, this needs to be deleted per precedent. Organizations within universities are not notable. --דניאל ~ Danielrocks123 ^{talk contribs Count} 00:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Untrue. See VUWSA, Salient (Magazine), Otago University Debating Society for some examples. This is not only an old organisation, but a successfuol one 130.195.86.36 00:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Victoria University of Wellington. If it's a notable part of the uni, it belongs there, if not then delete. --Mnem e son 01:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Mnemeson. --EndlessVince 01:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge per Mnemeson. Perhaps the same sd be done w/ the groups mentioned by 130.195.86.36 above. Pan Dan 01:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the organisation is notable. Basically it is the NZ equivalent of the Oxford Union. The Victoria University of Wellington page has a list of institutions, which it links to. That seems to be preferable to including every notable club on the main University page Ham21 03:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If you are going to delete this article, then Otago University Debating Society definitely should go, as it has won less Australs, as with much of Category:Student debating societies. --Midnighttonight Procrastinating on uni work... 04:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. -- Midnighttonight Procrastinating on uni work... 04:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)"[reply]

Weak keep. It needs a substantial rework though. While Midnighttonight argues (perhaps validly) that the VUW society measures up better than Otago, the VUW article is much weaker.--Limegreen 04:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Limegreen makes a fair point. I do plan on expanding this, but this Afd was added as soon as the page was made. If it is not deleted, I will expand it, there is plenty more that can go on here 124.197.27.180 05:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per Limegreen. It may just work if properly expanded. Buckner 1986 05:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Ridiculous assertion in nomination: no such precedent exists. Old society, especially for a NZ university. up+l+and 07:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a University club with no compelling case for notability; might warrent a merge to Victoria University. Per Midnighttonight, Otago University Debating Society should be brought to AfD or PROD as well.--Isotope23 15:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article is as encyclopedic as any other listed in Category:Student debating societies and asserts sufficient notability. Precedent is all fine and good, but precedent is not binding here and in any event there are many university societies that have articles and merit articles. I also concur with the comments by Ham21. Agent 86 16:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep per above --mathewguiver 18:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Would Skull and Bones be non-notable? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Moderate keep per Ham21. There is precedent for articles on student debating societies if the category mentioned by Agent 86 (may I call you Max?) is anything to go by. But it needs expansion as per Limegreen and Buckner 1986. Grutness...wha? 07:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, if this article is merged, I would suggest into Victoria University of Wellington Students Association rather than Victoria University of Wellington. --Midnighttonight Procrastinating on uni work... 22:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Gruntness Sumptioustreat 06:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It definitely needs references, without them there is no way to know that the article isn't original research. I'd imagine that references for a 100+ year old institution should be reasonably easy to obtain from the library at VU. --Mako 10:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.