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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Victor Carlström[edit]

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dubious blp about a "whistleblower" who hasn't received any major coverage - everything are press releases, sponsored posts in dubious, paid for black hat and sniped sites. (not to be confused with Victor Carlstrom who is notable) Praxidicae (talk) 13:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 14:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 14:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 14:05, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finance-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Certainly a nice change of pace to see self-promoters give themselves a fun backstory, but this article appears to be a complete fabrication. Does not have a single mention in Swedish newspapers. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Yeah, right — couldn't get a single respectable media outlet to pick up the story, but not to worry, let's write a Wikipedia article instead! (Unsurprisingly, by a WP:SPA with clear WP:COI issues.) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Victor Carlström is defenitly notable, he has media coverage in all leading U.S and UK news outlets, see here link https://www.victorcarlstrom.com/pressandmedia/ over 10 articles in tier 2 independent newsoutlets last 3 months. Swedish media supress the story since Victor Carlström are in court against Sweden, and their largest banks since December 2019 over 4.2 billion USD. Victor Carlströms courtcase is one of the largest court cases in United States this year, see link https://www.poandpo.com/news/swedish-government-drafts-team-of-international-law-firms-to-defend-42bn-corruption-lawsuit/ Victor Carlströms defendants try to supress all coverage visible in Sweden including delete this Wikiepdia page as a part of their suppresion process. The person moved this page for deletion is Swedish and Turkish and not independent to Victor Carlström since people Victor Carlström sue in court are Swedish and Turkish. This is not a coincidence, this is a coordinate attack to supress Victor Carlström. Very obvious the whole delete process is a supress attack from the people Victor Carlström are in court against, just look at all the media coverage this year in the link, over 30 independent articles total only this year (Not including press release). You all destroy creditbility of Wikiepdia when you supress major international news like this. See link with all articles as proof https://www.victorcarlstrom.com/pressandmedia/ shame on you by try to delete Victor Carlströms page with false accusations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swan1111 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have now gone over almost 30 independent news articles about Victor Carlström only this year in U.K, US, and other European News outlets (No press releases), most of them are tier 2 new outlets and reporters claim sources from court documents and lawyers from both sides. Also, see his website www.victorcarlstrom.com where over 300 pages of court documents are available. These documents describe money laundering and other financial fraud in detail. So don't really understand whats your point is by try to delete this Wikipedia page, since every single word in Victor Carlströms Wikipedia page is correct. Do you claim the case does not exist, and all these massive lawyer firms work with a fantasy case and the court in Southern District Of New York don't have the case? Your allegations are very diffuse. It is very obvious this is a coordinated attack to suppress Victor Carlström, only because this Wikipedia page is visible in Sweden. If you look at the date and time you all write for deletion it is impossible you have had time to read about the case, so it's very obvious this is a coordinated suppression attack where someone most likely pays you to have Victor Carlströms Wikipedia page deleted. I have sent this case to as many administrators as I could find to have them stop this suppression attack. Paid attacks like these destroy credibility for all Wikipedia and for all usernames working honestly and say no to do things for money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swan1111 (talk • contribs) 09:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here I have summery 9 tier 2 new outlets in US and U.K about Victor Carlström last 3 months, all from independent sources and NO press releases. Then one appearance in National US television NBC Show Crime Tuesday and National US radio show Overnight America. The only Swedish person with more media coverage in the U.S and U.K last 3 months is Zlatan Ibrahimovic then Victor Carlström is number two. Victor Carlström also has a Google Panel for a notable person. As I said your coordinated suppression attack to delete Victor Carlström Wikipedia page will not work since I informed many Wikipedia administrators looking into this attack right now.
Here is top 9 tier 2 news stories about Victor Carlström last 3 months also I link one US national TV appearance and one US national Radio appearance last months there is much more.
http://www.enstarz.com/articles/216753/20201022/is-victor-x-swedens-edward-snowden.htm
https://www.europeanfinancialreview.com/swedish-authorities-increase-intimidation-of-whistleblower-victor-x/
https://nationeditions.com/royal-flush-whistleblower-loses-it-all/
https://thebuzzpaper.com/victor-carlstrom-social-circles-to-isolation/amp/
https://www.hometownstation.com/news-articles/lapd-step-in-to-protect-whistleblower-victor-x-344970
https://celebmix.com/documentary-on-celebrity-whistleblower-victor-x-in-the-works/
https://luxurylaunches.com/other_stuff/socialite-speaks-up-then-trouble-follows-victor-carlstrom-now-known-as-victor-x.php
https://ventsmagazine.com/2020/08/13/victor-carlstrom-documentary-rumored-to-be-in-pre-production/
https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/business/victor-carlstrom-from-a-list-to-asylum-seeker/
This one is National Tv in the US at NBC for millions of viewers
https://www.lx.com/news/true-crime-tuesday-on-the-run/19127/
This one is National Radio in the US
https://omny.fm/shows/overnight-america/victor-carlstrom#description
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Swan1111 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have double-checked and Victor Carlström meets all guidelines for "(WP:GNG|our notability guidelines". I'm very against suppression, and this attack was showing the worse sides of suppression. If you took 5 minutes and Google Victor Carlström this deletion discussion would never have happened from the beginning. — Swan1111 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 07:08, 29 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]
  • Still a delete from me, there are about three sources there that are not black-hat SEO sites, one podcast, and then about two that would be usable as WP:RS, one of those is a press release and the other a small interview on a self-described "Gen-Z oriented local news streaming network" (which does not have a million viewers). No independent coverage to be found. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Looks like this subject has been at AfD before Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Carlstrom (businessman). Liz Read! Talk! 22:05, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found 12 sources and 6 independent media coverage. Don't found any pod, only National TV NBC LX and 25 minutes appearance in the radio show Overnight America. Plus Google panel for a notable person. Plus 300 court documents with singed perjury document. Victor Carlström meets all guidelines for "(WP:GNG|our notability guidelines" Username Pjarkur is a part of the coorinated suppression attack, very obvious. User Liz→ The former Wikipedia which was deleted was in May since then you have 26 independent news articles where 22 are in tier 2 news outlets so you can't compare then and now. it's a completely new case now, the only similarity is same people behind the suppression attack in May and now. People linked to defendant Sweden and Turkey, both countries block almost all media coverage about the case. U.S and U.K have regular media coverage about the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swan1111 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just find media coverage with Victor Carlström in international tier 1 news outlets, such as Fortune, Reuters, U.S News and World Report, and International Business Times, this is some of the world's most respected news outlets. This proof only Zlatan Ibrahimovic is the only Swedish person with more international media coverage this year. Since only Zlatan and Victor Carlström are the only Swedish people published in international tier 1 news outlets. No other Swedish people exist in international tier 1 news outlets this year. This defenitly make VIctor Carlström to meet all guidelines for "(WP:GNG|our notability guidelines."

https://money.usnews.com/financial-advisors/articles/advising-clients-on-using-a-backdoor-roth-ira

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asia-markets-valuations/asian-stock-valuations-drop-to-15-month-low-in-march-refinitiv-data-idUSKBN21K0WC?il=0

https://fortune.com/2020/02/24/coronavirus-fears-stock-market-drop/

https://www.ibtimes.com/us-economy-verge-recession-fate-could-depend-government-response-coronavirus-experts-2936776

https://fortune.com/2020/02/25/coronavirus-cdc-stock-market-dow-s-p-500/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swan1111 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsing rambling and blatant personal attacks. Blablubbs|talk 14:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have triple checked and no evidence found for black hat SEO from Victor Carlström. That is a false claim by Praxidicae in his paid suppression attack against Victor Carlström. The only black hat SEO is used by Sweden in their effort to hide published articles from Swedish readers. Again I believe this is the Wikipedia page with the most references consider the very short Wikipedia page, 35 references for 13 sentence text most definitely a record so far. Also, I'm up in 14 different sources now in media coverage in tier 1,2 and 3 news outlets. And Victor Carlström defenitly meets all critera in "WP:GNG| notability guidelines"

The ongoing paid suppression attack against whistleblower Victor Carlström is a strike against the credibility of the whole Wikipedia. Victor Carlström Wikipedia page I believe is the Wikipedia page with the most reference consider the very short Wikipedia page, 35 different tier 1, 2, and 3 news outlets for a couple of sentences and still, they try to delete it. Action is taken against these usernames to have them deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swan1111 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a unwarranted claim it is fact. Editors please take action and block Praxidicae for double-dipping by taking money from someone to suppress whistleblower VIctor Carlström. Extremely obvious if you look at facts and it destroys credibility for the whole Wikipedia, these usernames must be blocked. Swan1111 (talk) 09:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thjarkur, DoubleGrazing and Praxidicae you try to suppress and have me blocked now? Because your paid suppression attack our on the way to fail and you will not receive the final payment if Victor Carlströms Wikipedia is not deleted? I working hard to have you blocked for this paid suppression attack just so you know.

'Soon Victor Carlströms Wikipedia page will have one reference on each word if this continues. 'Now it's 35 references for 12 sentences'''' it's the worse example I ever have seen. And Wikipedia would not exist if this scrutiny was applied to other Wikipedia pages, that's why I claim you destroy the credibility of the whole Wikipedia and you must be blocked.Swan1111 (talk) 11:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New information Victor Carlström case is one of the most discussed topics at the Swedish largest forum Flashback with over 2 million members. Flashback has it server outside Sweden after Sweden tried to suppress flashback by close down the first version years ago that was located in Sweden.

See link  https://www.flashback.org/t3258994 In over 240 answers and approximately 40 000 page views people have discussed Victor Carlström case and the Swedens suppression of the case. Swan1111 (talk) 15:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I thought this looked familiar even though the name did not ring any bells (I am pretty clueless when it comes to celebrities in Sweden, so me not recognising the name is not a point against notability in itself), but then I realised that I did a pretty thorough search back in June when we had the previous AfD. (Yes, I had forgotten the name since then.) He was clearly not notable then as all the press coverage was churnalism, primary sources, or trivial mentions, and looking through the sources published since, there isn't a shred of notability there: again, it is primary, based on press releases, promotional, and/or trivial. Not one single mention in DN, or even in Expressen which is a pretty useless source, but it does tend to pick up the gossip. "Famous on Flashback" is one of the more amusing claims to notability I've heard! --bonadea contributions talk 15:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Completely self-promotional sources. Not one single source presented comes even within shouting distance of being a WP:RS. Given the re-creation, the extreme tenor of the claims, and the disruption in this AfD, I also suggest Salting. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete I consider these page meet all criteria for WP:GNG. I will clarify. "Significant coverage" Check, person, exist in Fortune, Reuters, US News & World Report, International Business Times, The European Financial Review, Business Matters, Nation Editions, The Buzz Paper, Luxury Launches, Talk Business, US television NBC LX and Radio show Overnight America and many more, none of these are press releases and no connection to Carlström.

"Reliable" Check, many independent articles in The European Financial Review and Business Matters two very reliable news sources. Also, coverage in Nation Editions is reliable. Then as a financial expert in Fortune, Reuters, US News & World Report, and International Bussines Times all very reliable news sources.

"Independent of the subject" Check, Can't see any connection with the once I just mention to Carlström. We can't assume we need facts.

Note: WP:GNG does not require specific names of media coverage or a specific number of sources. Also, understandable Swedish media cover up the story if you look at the sensitivity of the case.

Finally, Calrström is the first person from North Europe with asylum in United States, and if you look at the magnitude of his lawsuit and the consequences of the potential outcome of the lawsuit, together with all media coverage and different blogs, forums, for me it's no question he meets all criteria for WP:GNG. I understand his case is controversial and challenges the narrative for many people but we need to look at the facts, and put the personal opinion aside. Also, I think some goes to hard with assumptions, in this case, no name mention.Raiderstorm (talk) 06:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Solution' To move forward and save the page, I suggest shorter the page and only mention his lawsuit, asylum in the United States, and his investment firm Vinacossa Enterprises. Then it's backed up by multiply media coverage and sources to meet all criteria in WP:GNG. Also, person exists on a regular basis in different media coverage and is a hot topic on the web so delete the page is not considered correct. And please for all well-being save the assumptions and present facts if you have claims, thanks.Raiderstorm (talk) 06:59, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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