Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vicky Hamilton (musician)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Whilst there is significant support for a Dave MacKay and Vicky Hamilton page that is not the consensus. I see the consensus to be 'keep' but recommend a post-AfD 'move' discussion. Just Chilling (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vicky Hamilton (musician)[edit]

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No notability outside of forming a duo with Dave MacKay. Not even any solo releases. Merge or redirect? FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 02:54, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 02:54, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 02:54, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 05:04, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect to Dave Mackay (musician), because all of her known works were with him. Note that Hamilton has been mentioned in the recent news reports about the 2008 Universal Studios fire, but she was just one of many whose works may have been lost. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have added sources and quotes from reviews to the article. If this is merged, then at least there will be more about her. I have also made a small edit to the article about Dave Mackay (musician), which said he co-wrote the song "See My Rainbow", when the catalog of copyright entries shows it was copyrighted to her alone, for both words and music (other songs were copyrighted to both). I wonder if their first album would meet WP:NALBUM #1? Then perhaps this article could be re-written to be mainly about that album, and her name could be redirected to it???? RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There's the practical issue of how Twitter or Wikipedia's Women in Red project would respond to an AfD redirecting a jazz singer's article to her husband's with the rationale "all her known works were with him", and I don't want to get into that. Regardless, if they are noteworthy as a duo and MacKay is notable on his own, then the only real solutions are that we either have a page called Dave MacKay and Vicky Hamilton for them as a duo and redirect this article there, or we have an article for her herself. Given the fleshing-out this article has just obtained, the latter seems just fine to me. Chubbles (talk) 02:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am the previous voter who is possibly being accused of something here. I actually think that a Move to Dave MacKay and Vicky Hamilton is a reasonable suggestion, because they released albums as a duo. But like it or not, even the recently-added sources continue to confirm that Hamilton has no solo works, and that is necessary for a solo article. Meanwhile I am stumped on how fears of Twitter flak matter for a discussion of someone's notability in Wikipedia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Chubbles: there's really just a practical issue of working against systemic bias on Wikipedia. You shouldn't worry about what a certain WikiProject thinks: instead worry about fighting that bias and I think your suggestion about creating a duo page does just that. That's an excellent idea and I would support that. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep agree per Chubbles. BurmesePokemon (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Or create merged article named for the duo. Montanabw^(talk) 23:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep the article is my first vote, because it's notable. But merging the article is the better option, and my second vote is merge the Article with Dave Mackay (musician).Forest90 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or create Dave MacKay and Vicky Hamilton. Having solo works has not been necessary in past AfDs for solo articles about musicians who only recorded with others - the question is whether reviewers noticed and wrote about the musician's work. The best coverage I found of her was in the New York Times - the other sources found so far do talk about them as a duo. There is enough coverage to have an article about the duo, if it's not considered enough to have one about her - so I do not think that she should be merged into the existing article about Dave Mackay (musician). The section in that article about the duo could be brief, and point to an article about the duo. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:16, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.