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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 23:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Veronica Williams[edit]

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Contested PROD. Initial reason from User:Geschichte was Fails WP:GNG and has played only 2 games in a non-fully-professional league not listed at WP:FPL, failing WP:NFOOTBALL

I found no evidence of WP:GNG in a WP:BEFORE search and this source shows that her career was very brief. Long standing consensus that footballers with very brief careers, consisting of no more than 1 or 2 appearances, need to pass GNG. Spiderone 10:36, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 10:39, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 10:39, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 10:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 10:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 10:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 11:03, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, does not meet any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as it fals NFOOTY and GNG.--Mvqr (talk) 13:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Number 57 20:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question "Long standing consensus that footballers with very brief careers, consisting of no more than 1 or 2 appearances, need to pass GNG." For all players? Men and women? Can you indicate the age-old "consensus" discussion you're referring to Spiderone? Hmlarson (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD is an example of a male footballer that made two NFOOTY appearances and nothing more. It was deleted. Linked in this AfD are just a small selection of the many male footballer articles that were also deleted for scraping through NFOOTY by the skin of their teeth but completely failing GNG Spiderone 23:08, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How about a white English male player? Can you provide an example? Hmlarson (talk) 23:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you check the deletion archive yourself? I'm sure there are plenty of non-league players somewhere in there. Jay eyem (talk) 02:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of English males; example 1, example 2 and example 3. No idea on skin colour as I highly doubt there are any pictures of them around. Spiderone 16:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
She might well pass NFOOTY but she comprehensively fails GNG which usually takes precedence Spiderone 16:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as with a long-standing precedent with male players, people who just barely scrape by WP:NFOOTY, fail WP:GNG and have no chance of ever playing at a professional level again are not considered notable. Also, the status of the W-League as a fully professional league in 2008-9 is somewhat doubtful. Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The long-standing precedent with male players, as listed in WP:NFOOTY is that people passing Nfooty pass Nfooty and are notable. The recent push by a small group to change that is not a long-standing precedent. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing in WP:NFOOTY that specifies "male" footballers: it applies to all footballers. If there are different standards for different sexes, it has not yet been presented. Jay eyem (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect No solid reason has been given to justify the deletion of this content while valid alternatives exist. If she is not worthy of a standalone article this can be redirected somewhere. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How is a redirect a valid alternative here? What would be the intended target? Given that the page has just over 3,000 views in over five years, there doesn't seem to be much utility in this page as a redirect. And Brisbane Roar FC (W-League) would not be an appropriate redirect for a single player with a common name. Jay eyem (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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