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The result was delete‎. Thank you for compiling the source analysis table. Liz Read! Talk! 23:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vương Xuân Nguyên[edit]

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was previously pushed for WP:PROD due to sockpuppet activities, but think we should have an AfD for it at least User:Sawerchessread (talk) 18:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment apparently deleted twice on Vietnamese wikipedia: https://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=V%C6%B0%C6%A1ng_Xu%C3%A2n_Nguy%C3%AAn&action=edit&redlink=1 User:Sawerchessread (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this article is created by a sock related to a very big PR ring with over 100 confirmed socks (see article talk page for more info). This person has no real achievement, so he's not notable. He likely paid this PR service to have his own article on Wikipedia. For your info, news article can be bought in Vietnam. All the sources are likely bought. It's a common tactic in Vietnam for PR. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:24FB:4C07:F5C1:5E5F (talk) 11:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This IP address belongs to Nguyentrongphu, who was previously banned for the reason "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia, following ANI threads". On Vietnamese Wikipedia, instead of preserving articles, he deletes articles or reverts edits that he deems to be violations without providing valid evidence. Conversely, he adds spam links to Wikipedia. See 1, 2, 3, 4 203.205.26.11 (talk) 05:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia's policy, all articles/edits from socks must be deleted and reverted. Admin Nguyentrongphu did nothing wrong here. There is a reason that all the other Vietnamese admins are ignoring this sock. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:2C09:4A70:C286:9B2F (talk) 07:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This IP belongs to a very big PR ring. See here. This ring has over 100 socks and has created hundreds of PR articles. We have deleted all of them after they were caught. Everything this sock says cannot be trusted (words taken out of context, misleading statements, false accusations and etc). Anyways, we should actually focus on the article's notability instead of throwing false, random accusation around. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:2C09:4A70:C286:9B2F (talk) 08:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Admin Nguyentrongphu is the most anti-admin we have in Vietnamese Wikipedia for more than 10 years. Everyone in Vietnamese Wikipedia knows this. Claiming that he supports PR activities is laughable. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:2C09:4A70:C286:9B2F (talk) 08:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the "WP:SOCKPUPPET accusation", he has no specific technical evidence, but only his own inferences. See: 5 203.205.26.11 (talk) 06:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Last check was successful. Current check is on-going. The checkuser is currently busy. Plenty of evidences were provided, what are you talking about? The fact is that this article is created by 2 different socks from the same person. User:Cuongpham8 is confirmed to be a sock. You're a sock too. I'm not a sock. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:2C09:4A70:C286:9B2F (talk) 07:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are a sock of Nguyentrongphu, who was previously banned for the reason "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia, following ANI threads". 203.205.26.11 (talk) 08:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know a difference between a ban and a block? Nguyentrongphu is never banned. You're a sock related to the PR ring. Nobody is consistently defending this article like you do. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:2C09:4A70:C286:9B2F (talk) 09:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Vuong Xuan Nguyen, this individual has ample evidence to demonstrate his prominence. A Google search using the keyword "Vuong Xuan Nguyen" yields approximately 37,500,000 results (0.28 seconds). See: 1 203.205.26.11 (talk) 08:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
37 million results lol? Most of the results are not even the same person. If he's notable, why the need to pay for a PR firm to create an article for him on Wikipedia? 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:2C09:4A70:C286:9B2F (talk) 09:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:GOOGLEHITS. Read our notability guideline here. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The results of the review by a reviewer have repeatedly confirmed that the accounts above are not sockpuppet activities. See: 1 112.218.57.237 (talk) 05:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is currently no technical evidence so far, but there is strong behavioral evidence (Wikipedia:DUCK). User:Monpham (a very new account) recreated the exact same article created by a confirmed sock. Monpham also uploaded the picture in the article to Commons. Also, the sockpuppet investigation is on-going and not done yet. P/S: why are you using a proxy from Italy? 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:E565:345:8F07:4EDD (talk) 10:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for Soft Deletion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I'd really like to see at least 1 non-Vietnamese source. All of the sources listed do not count towards GNG, and any other Vietnamese sources are likely to tell the same tale. According to Telecommunications in Vietnam, "The government controls all broadcast media exercising oversight through the Ministry of Information and Communication." I will be abbreviating Ministry of Information and Communications as MIC. I'm reading similar statements in other articles about journalism in Vietnam as well. Because of this, the independence and reliability of all Vietnamese sources about this subject is harder to determine, as the MIC may have influence or control over the publication. Because the subject is associated with state-owned/controlled areas, this poses a concern to me about determining notability. This viwiki page is a viwiki listing of official sources and includes which ones are directly state-owned - I will be abbreviating this page as VIRSPS, as in WP:RSPS. Below is my source assessment–it is a bit lengthy.
Source assessment table: prepared by User:WhoAteMyButter
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://vanhoavaphattrien.vn/vuong-xuan-nguyen-a18339.html No May be under MIC control; MIC permit or similar governmental control No Seems to be a PR article, plus other articles suggest it may be a mouthpiece. Yes ✘ No
https://baoquangninh.vn/nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-nhung-dau-an-tren-chang-duong-20-nam-hoat-dong-bao-chi-3273185.html No MIC concerns. No No author information, MIC concerns. Yes ✘ No
https://kinhtevadubao.vn/nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-nghe-bao-la-mot-su-tinh-co-da-lam-thay-doi-cuoc-doi-3095.html No Source is Journal of Economics and Forecast - Ministry of Planning and Investment No Direct government source, likely to be no editorial oversight Yes ✘ No
https://www.doisongvaphattrien.vn/mot-so-bai-viet-va-tu-lieu-ve-nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-a38874.html No Unclear author, only "PV". No Author, cites Wikipedia, and then dumps 55 links with nothing further (I am not going to source assess 55 links.) No One circular paragraph. ✘ No
https://ngoisao.net.vn/tap-chi-khoa-hoc-phat-trien-nong-thon-viet-nam-gap-mat-than-mat-va-khai-but-dau-xuan-a1407.html No Author is "Huy Hoang", article contains a lot of interviews. Source seems to state "Journal of Development Science Vietnam Rural Areas (PHANO Magazine) has done well its role as the mouthpiece of the Central Vietnam Rural Development Science Association" [translated]. Likely to not be independent. No MIC. ~ Source is more about the meeting, but does include some information on subject. ✘ No
https://www.nguoiduatin.vn/ra-mat-chuyen-trang-hoi-nhap-cua-tap-chi-dien-tu-van-hoa-va-phat-trien-a522998.html No Seems to be a direct mouthpiece. No No information about author. No Only in passing mention. ✘ No
https://tienphong.vn/chuyen-gia-sinh-vat-canh-ven-man-nhung-giao-dich-lan-tien-ty-su-that-bat-ngo-post1257714.tpo No VIRSPS, all of article content seems to be an interview or similar. No No information on author. Yes ✘ No
https://vtv.vn/kinh-te/dua-nhau-bia-gia-tren-troi-nguoi-choi-lan-khien-thi-truong-nao-loan-2020071010124399.htm No VIRSPS No Same author as above, most of content seems to be interview and may be copy of above source. Yes ✘ No
https://baohagiang.vn/rao-vat/202312/nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-tu-chu-duyen-voi-bao-chi-den-chu-tam-voi-nghe-sinh-vat-canh-7cb3a05/ No MIC concerns. No Seems to be entirely PR, unclear author (author listed seems to name a group). Yes ✘ No
https://baomoi.com/gap-nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-tren-nhung-trang-viet-moi-c47667935.epi No Copy of first source, footer also says "BAOMOI synthesizes and arranges information automatically by computer program". No No ✘ No
https://dangcongsan.vn/thoi-su/le-tang-cap-cao-nha-bao-lao-thanh-do-phuong-457515.html No Seems to be mouthpiece. No MIC, mouthpiece. No Does not mention subject. ✘ No
https://hoinhap.vanhoavaphattrien.vn/nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-voi-bao-doi-song-va-phap-luat-a11039.html No Same concerns as 1st source. No Yes ✘ No
https://kinhtevadubao.vn/nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-duoc-tang-ky-niem-chuong-vi-su-nghiep-bao-chi-viet-nam-23064.html No Same concerns as 3rd source. No Yes ✘ No
https://phapluatkinhdoanh.vn/index.php/nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-duoc-tang-ky-niem-chuong-vi-su-nghiep-bao-chi-viet-nam-a2528.html No Interview, MIC concerns. No Author is Bach Hein, see 'baohagiang' source. Yes ✘ No
https://baodongkhoi.vn/gap-nha-bao-vuong-xuan-nguyen-tren-nhung-trang-viet-chan-thuc-04122023-a123269.html No Copy of 2nd source. No Yes ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
As such, I don't see general notability. He may be important in official Vietnamese government inner-circles, but as far as I can tell, he doesn't meet GNG. More Vietnamese sources aren't going to help because of independence concerns. As for WP:BEFORE, I can't find any sources that are (a) not based in Vietnam and subject to MIC, or (b) about the subject. WhoAteMyButter (🌷talk│🌻contribs) 05:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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