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The result was keep. ‑Scottywong| spill the beans _ 17:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Legends (Black Ice)[edit]

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Not sure if notable. Deprodded without comment by article creator, who provided reviews from Allmusic (which is actually blank), Amazon (not reliable), Review You (apparently a pay-for-review site intended to give good reviews), and RateYourMusic (user submitted.) The only other sources are YouTube videos. I see no individual notability for this album. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • An Allmusic listing is not enough to carry an article, particularly if the listing does not have a review. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think we can all agree that if Ice-T participated in making this album, then it passes the notability requirement. However, doing a Google search on Ice-T's discography returned this hit which doesn't include this album. I don't know how reliable this source is, but I would assume any music Ice-T released would get noticed & reviewed by a reliable source (e.g. Rolling Stone, maybe People). So can someone provide a reliable discography for Ice-T, & settle this matter that way? -- llywrch (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:NOTINHERITED. It's possible for a notable artist to release a non-notable album, especially if (in this case) it's a collab with a non-notable artist. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree -- but that is not the important point, TPH. For sake of argument, assume I'm right, that if a notable artist like Ice-T records an album the album is notable: the fact is that I didn't find any reliable proof had anything to do with this album. Poking at the links to this album on the music.aol.com website didn't lead me to Ice-T, but to another artist by the name of "Black Ice". That makes me wonder if he did record it, as well as the fact it doesn't seem to fit his career arc. If no reliable source can be found confirming Ice-T had a hand in this album, then the issue is not notability because the article is likely a hoax & I'll concur to its deletion. -- llywrch (talk) 18:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What nonsense is this? There's no "artist" named "Black Ice", it's a collaboration (and AFAIK a one-off) between Ice-T and Black Silver. We already have sources for this. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm just sharing what I found. If you have better, more reliable sources, please add them to the article. -- llywrch (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sources of questionable notability indicate Ice T is one half of Black Ice[1][2] (Note that the Guardian article above refers to DJ Cisco's Black Ice: Urban Legends mix tape, which includes tracks from the album and older Ice T songs.) I've tried every music publication I can think of (The Source, Vibe, XXL, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, Spin, Drowned in Sound, and major newspapers in US and UK) but can't find any review. Maybe nobody cares about Ice T now. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  05:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I stumbled across this wikipedia article while trying to determine whether this 'album' was valid or not. The 'album' was 'produced' by 'Key Wins Productions' which appears to be created by 'Babe Ruth' AKA Alex Hirsch. Alex Hirsch is well known for his gratuitous self-promotion of his music videos over many different websites including facebook. He seems to excel at creating different personas and posting encouraging comments on his video uploads. My interest was piqued by his incessant music video posts on facebook. I was curious to find if he had actually worked with Ice-T or if the shoddily created promotional websites and various posts throughout the internet were simply another means for Alex's self-promotion. I find it difficult to fathom that Ice-T would allow his name to be used under false pretences, but I also find it hard to believe that Alex Hirsch has actually worked with him. So, I only offer this as someone familiar with Alex Hirsch who appears to be behind all of the promotion for this 'album'. In my opinion he is a person with very low credibility who desperately tries to promote his music. --Elgranada (talk) 12:54, 27 April 2012 (PST)
  • merge to discographies of the artists. I found [3], [4], Analog_Brothers (which references the album in passing). Reliability of those I do not know, but doubt. The article needs some improvement, particularly in terms of sources. Ice-T and Black Silver both have WP articles, and I think this should be merged into them. The article does need improvement in terms of spelling/grammar, if it is kept. Marikafragen (talk) 02:27, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. (a) It's clear from the sources already discovered that that has been some coverage. (b) Merging such an article into two other articles has been, IMHO, a disaster. (c) I recall reading about this album; I further recall that a tour to promote the album did take place and was advertised heavily. Surely there are good sources out there about these facts. Bearian (talk) 16:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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