Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Maryland Mock Trial Team

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The result was merge to University_of_Maryland_College_of_Behavioral_and_Social_Sciences. (or a more suitable target) Black Kite (t) (c) 12:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

University of Maryland Mock Trial Team[edit]

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Only claim to fame is to have won the national championship in "mock trials". Mock trials not being very notable, winning it also isn't. Notability of narrow scope. Christopher Connor (talk) 20:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to University of Maryland College of Behavioral and Social Sciences --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 20:08, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I should've included more in my original post. Notability is not established for this particular team. The only ref given appears to be a press release. Quick google news archive search coverage limited to school newspaper. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is a university student organization, a multitude of which have pages on wikipedia. Furthermore, mock trial competitions--including those the UMD team has competed in--are discussed to some extent on wikipedia, so I would not call into question the notability of the topic. However, I will take Omarcheeseboro's suggestion and move the content to the UMD BSOS page.CampTenDMS (talk) 22:44, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also add that other less-successful teams have pages on wikipedia, i.e., Brown University Mock Trial, so I'd urge you to practice consistency in your targeting of pages for deletion.CampTenDMS (talk) 23:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It's understandable that you would bring that up, but check out WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Also there's no need to do anything with the article until this AFD is closed. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The nomination is premised on the nominator's personal opinion that mock trial competitions aren't notable, hence even a team that's won the national competition five times wouldn't be notable. Why do they hold these every year anyway? Why do colleges and high schools bother competing in these damn things? Why does boring shit like this get described at all in the press? [1].

Mandsford 00:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No assertion is made in the article that mock trials, mock trial teams, or school groups are notable. Instead, I think the article does a good job of explaining why, as a thing, this particular group is notable. Regardless of the field, attaining ~20% of the national championships in a competition seems notable to me, see Mock trial#Past championship results.JamaUtil (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This group was good enough that a rule created to prevent 1st and 2nd place from being the same was dubbed the Maryland Rule, as described on that page.JamaUtil (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The bar for student organizations needs to be maintained by a close reading of the rules on WP:ORG. Has this group "been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources"? The lone reference in the article is a University of Maryland press release about the group's success. A google search reveals similar "press release" type coverage but this was not picked up in the news. More importantly there is nowhere for this article to go. I think this accomplishment definitely deserves mention, maybe in a couple of different articles - and it is already mentioned in the article about Mock Trials - but it is just not worthy of its own article based on the notability criteria. If I click on the link to this article from the Mock Trials article I get no new information nor do I believe that there is much information to provide. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 02:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This entry was created four days ago so I forgive its small size. Here are a few independent sources that cover this topic as a main subject: The Diamondback,Baltimore Sun. And there are of course the PR type articles in other places. I notice that this team seems to be covered more often as a secondary subject, as some random paper like the New York Daily News talks about a beating of another school. I think this article should get time to grow on its own, it was proposed for deletion about 4 hours after creation. Really? Qoforensics (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into University of Maryland College of Behavioral and Social Sciences. Coverage does not appear to be significant enough for a stand alone article. --Pink Bull 02:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge - into University of Maryland or to University of Maryland College of Behavioral and Social Sciences - this is a student club that is not even close to the notability required for it's own article. Codf1977 (talk) 09:27, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.