Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador[edit]

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This article has been erased several times on Spanish Wikipedia (and is nor creation protected) for repeated efforts to promotionally recreate it. This suggests serious WP:PROMO risk. In addition, the sources here aren't notable, all are either WP:ROUTINE, or lacking WP:DEPTH. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Ecuador. Owen× ☎ 13:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador article deserves to remain on Wikipedia because it contributes to the encyclopedia's mission of providing comprehensive information about educational institutions around the world

Misunderstanding of notability: The repeated deletion attempts might be due to a misunderstanding of the university's notability. We should strive to improve articles with proper sources rather than deletion.

Improve the sources: If the sources used previously were not notable, we can find alternative sources that meet Wikipedia's criteria. There are plenty of reputable Ecuadorian news outlets about the university's achievements, programs, or events, even though most of these would be reptitive and not part of an encyclopedic entry.

Scholarly articles, news coverage, and government websites can be good starting points for finding reliable sources.

Comprehensiveness of Wikipedia: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that strives to be comprehensive. Deleting an article about a university in Ecuador limits the information available to users about higher education in the country. The following List of universities in Ecuador used to include articles for each of the accredited institutions in the country. As of April 29th 2024 it seems that most of these articles have been deleted.

Notability

In general, most legitimate colleges and universities are notable^[1] and should be included on Wikipedia. For notability of sub-articles, see relevant advice below. ... It is also important to bear in mind that anyone can set up an institution and call it a "college" or, in many countries, a "university", so that it is essential to be clear whether an institution warrants inclusion in Wikipedia based on that institution's use of these terms.

Government websites listing UPACIFICO and other universities as an accredited institution or mentioning its programs. Were part of the article prior to edits on April 29 2024.

Enhancing the Article's Quality:

A collective effort can be made to find and add high-quality sources that meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Despite this information being deleted because it was in "ugly tables"The article's content can be expanded to include information about the university's: History and mission Academic programs and faculty expertise Research activities and achievements Student life and campus facilities Accreditation status

Addressing Promotional Concerns:

We can collaborate to ensure the article presents a neutral and objective viewpoint. Promotional language can be replaced with factual descriptions of the university's academics, research, and student life. Editors can focus on providing verifiable information about the university's history, faculty, programs, and accreditation status.

With regards to the concern regarding repeated promotional recreation on the Spanish Wikipedia, this shouldn't automatically lead to deletion on the English version as the translation of this article into spanish does automatically reflect the existance of the article in wikipedia.es. The editing communities on each language version have some autonomy.

Independent Efforts: I translated the article into Spanish, demonstrating it wasn't a mere copy-paste attempt. Additionally, you mentioned finding the article created by other editors, further suggesting independent interest in the university. In my last edit on the Spanish Wikipedia my edit focused on adding a recognition which I had added to wikipedia.en, not promotional language, this led to the pages deletion, and blocking of my wikipedia.es account. Let me reiterate that wikipedia.es has a delitionist policy rather than a broader inclusionist perspective regarding knowledge.

Inconsistent Treatment: If you check [Universidades de Ecuador] All universities in Ecuador have entries on the Spanish Wikipedia. The Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador which has been deleted (and now reroutes to the English entry) seems inconsistent with this practice.

Proposal for Moving Forward:

Perhaps a communication channel can be established between the Spanish and English Wikipedia editors to discuss the university and ensure consistent treatment. I am more than willing to translate the Univerity entries in Spanish back into English in order to once again have a List of universities in Ecuador with entries to the different Universtites.

HarveyPrototype (talk) 17:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion Bias

The deletion of the Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador article, along with the removal of articles about universities in Ecuador, raises concerns about potential biases in Wikipedia's coverage of educational institutions, particularly those outside of Western contexts.

Wikipedia's commitment to neutrality and verifiability is essential, but it's also crucial to recognize and address biases that may exist in content coverage. Systemic biases, including geographic bias, can inadvertently shape the information available on Wikipedia and affect its representativeness.

By deleting articles about universities in Ecuador, Wikipedia may unintentionally perpetuate systemic biases and contribute to an incomplete representation of global educational systems and institutions.

Moving forward, it's important for Wikipedia editors to be mindful of these biases and strive for balanced, comprehensive coverage that reflects the diversity of human knowledge and experience. This includes efforts to address gaps in coverage, particularly in underrepresented regions and topics.

Rather than deleting articles outright, collaborative efforts can be made to improve sourcing, address promotional content, and ensure that articles accurately reflect the notability and significance of their subjects. By actively working to mitigate biases and promote inclusivity, Wikipedia can better fulfill its mission as a free and comprehensive encyclopedia for all.--HarveyPrototype (talk) 23:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Wikipedia:College and university article advice". Wikipedia.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 11:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All this is fine, but there are no sources about the school that we can use. Being on a list isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete despite what "College and university article advice" says, the actual notability guidelines do have requirements beyond being a legitimate university. It looks like the advice page may be a tad out of date. (Also there's no particular requirement to be consistent with the Spanish Wikipedia, they can do what they want). -- D'n'B-t -- 12:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument raises a valid concern about the potential misalignment between the "College and university article advice" and the actual notability guidelines for organizations and companies.

Regarding consistency with the Spanish Wikipedia, you rightly point out that there's no strict requirement for alignment between language versions. However, considering the deletion of entries for most Ecuadorian universities on the English Wikipedia while they remain on the Spanish Wikipedia, there's a question of ensuring comprehensive coverage and accessibility of information for English-speaking users interested in Ecuadorian higher education.

In light of this, the proposal to translate the Spanish entries into English addresses the challenge of limited information availability and supports Wikipedia's mission of providing free, accessible knowledge to all. By ensuring that English-speaking users have access to comprehensive information about Ecuadorian universities, we uphold Wikipedia's goal of being a global repository of knowledge. HarveyPrototype (talk) 13:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sure it exists, but sourcing from a list of "50 best xxx" and interviews aren't what we're looking for... This is PROMO. I can't find anything beyond confirmation that the place exists. Oaktree b (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In response to your concerns about sourcing, I'd like to draw attention to a component of the article regarding recognitions, which was previously deleted by another editor. This content can currently be found on the talk page Talk:Universidad Del Pacífico – Ecuador. While it may not fully address all sourcing concerns, it provides additional information that contributes to the understanding of the university's standing and recognition. HarveyPrototype (talk) 13:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] "Wikipedia:College and university article advice". Wikipedia.

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