Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler (German singer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler (German singer)[edit]

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The subject of the article was to represent Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020, which was canceled due to COVID-19. Typically competing in Eurovision makes the participant notable per WP:NMUSIC #10 and #12, but since the contest was canceled, these criterion were not met. A recent move of this article to a third stage name in just over a year, makes me believe this artist is not yet established enough to have an article. All sources about previous potentially notable activities are summary points in Eurovision articles, while the newer information is only WP:PRIMARY, specifically Instagram. It is possible that once established as an artist with a stable stage name that he may be "notable" enough for Wikipedia, but I don't believe that is the case right now or in the near future. Grk1011 (talk) 02:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - clearly notable per WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. Good sourcing as well. Has been involved in several notable singing events. BabbaQ (talk) 02:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]

In my opinion, the only reason to keep his profile is due to his Eurovision 2020 selection and his appearance on Eurovision: Europe Shine a Light. Though his other achievements (The Voice of Germany, New Wave) add to his biography. If he is not deemed noteworthy enough to have his own article, he could have a section in Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020, simular to what is done for Junior Eurovision acts. GoldenSubtle (talk) 02:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. For me, the most blatant indicator that he is not yet notable is the inability to pick a stage name. Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020 already contains a few sentences about his background prior to the contest. Subsequent activities are either lacking or non-notable. There really isn't much left to add to his biography at this stage, though he may do things in the future that would establish his Wikipedia notability. Grk1011 (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and reinsert a mention elsewhere. I could not agree with GoldenSubtle's observation more. The article itself was created in November 2019 with the justification thus: "Cypriotic singer that will represent his country in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020". Sadly did not prove to be the case. Also not invited back by CyBC to represent Cyprus, Germany or any other nation in 2021. Sadly this article fails any form of significance. Not released any albums or toured internationally? Section number 10 of Criteria for musicians and ensembles within WP:NMUSIC is the only valid clause of inclusion, and that, as GoldenSubtle has already mentioned, is elsewhere.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the reasons given above. Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge, I have changed my opinion after what I have just read, as the singer is not yet notable enough to warrant an article, but that could change in time. Is there any article that this can be merged with? If so please merge with whatever this can be merged with. If there isn't anything that it can be merged with then for now it should be deleted. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Well sourced, passes WP:GNG. The whole "he can't choose a stage name so he's not notable" is quite honestly irrelevant, given we've got multiple artists on Wikipedia who've changed their stage name frequently. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 20:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - Changing my !vote to Strong Keep per sourced inclusion of his participation in Eurovision: Europe Shine a Light in front of millions of viewers. clearly notable per WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC point 1, 10 and 12. Good sourcing as well. Has been involved in several notable singing events, which are all sourced. BabbaQ (talk) 19:28, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have not changed my stance with Keep for this article. His appearance in several high rated television events like Eurovision:Europe Shine A Light that was broadcast throughout Europe, Australia and parts of the Middle East last year is notable per WP:NMUSIC point 1, 10 and 12. His appearances in The Voice and New Wave competitions further strenghtens his notability beyond WP:GNG as well. BabbaQ (talk) 11:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GNG does not appear to be met. There are no sources in the article that cover the artist in significant detail (his song/entry, yes). The subsequent events you mention are more "Sandro appeared for Cyprus at the event". They are not sources about the subject, but merely trivial mentions. After his failed Eurovision appearance, there is no more reliable information, with everything coming from self-published sources. The last line of the GNG reads If a topic does not meet these criteria but still has some verifiable facts, it might be useful to discuss it within another article and that is what I did when bringing both Running and Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2020 to WP:Good Article status. As someone who has already deeply researched this topic, I honestly don't feel that there is much room for expansion, nor do I find a standalone article very useful. All of his notable events are tied to Eurovision thus far and it makes sense that the Eurovision articles (song and entry) be the location for that information. Grk1011 (talk) 13:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.