Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tufts Magazine

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The result was redirect‎ to Tufts University#Publications and broadcasting. Closing and redirecting per consensus to the publications of the university. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tufts Magazine[edit]

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An alumni magazine for a mid-sized university, whose magazines we don't generally find notable. Although it has gotten some awards from Council for Advancement and Support of Education, it doesn't pass GNG. Looking at the current version, the first source is primary, the second is not independent, the third is questionably reliable as it's a blog, and the last is non-significant as it's just a database entry. A WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing except coverage of a controversy at an unrelated publication. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: News media, Education, and Massachusetts. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be any reason not to just redirect to the university itself? PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:32, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope; that would be my preferred outcome (apologies I forgot to !vote initially; doing so below now). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is an alumni magazine; it publishes articles about people and activities at the university, with class notes and obituaries, just like pretty much every other alumni magazine in the U.S. There is not that much to say about most alumni magazines; they tend not to get a lot of outside attention that makes it worth having articles about them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per Sdkb. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tufts University § Publications and broadcasting, where I have merged in a sentence, as nominator. Oppose deletion per WP:ATD-R given that the university is a readily available and suitable target. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sources show that the magazine is notable. The first just confirms that the university publishes the magazine. The others, which discuss the subject in some depth, are the Council for Advancement and Support of Education, Johns Hopkins University and the Encyclopedia of Associations (if an encyclopedia thinks a subject worth covering, that makes it encyclopediac). We could also add news items like Tufts magazine under fire after racial joke runs awry. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Washington State Magazine and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne State Magazine. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your link for a new item is the same one I mentioned in my nomination — it is for an unrelated publication. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how discussing the subject in some depth comes into play here. The link to Council for Advancement and Support of Education is a broken link, and I can't find the specific award being mentioned on CASE's website. The link to Johns Hopkins University is to a three-paragraph-long blog post (from a now-defunct blog, hosted on JHU's website, about university magazines). Tufts Magazine is not an association; I'm assuming (without being able to see the full page from the Encyclopedia of Associations) that it happened to get mentioned in the entry for the Tufts University Alumni Association. As Sdkb mentioned, the "racial joke runs awry" link is about an unrelated student publication at Tufts and does not even mention this alumni magazine. The two AfDs cited are ongoing and nobody has recommended "keep" in either of them yet, so they certainly aren't a precedent in favor of keeping this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd guess that the broken link to the CASE awards is roughly akin to this more recent one, which includes only one small paragraph not from the magazine itself. As @NatGertler observed at the Washington State Magazine AfD, CASE gives out about 300 awards every year, so they are not all that distinguishing, and more generally we do not tend to consider awards organizations conducting their operations to be secondary sources.

Regarding the Encyclopedia of Associations, I characterized it as just a database entry because, on searching for the magazine's name within the work, all that showed up was the bottom of an entry about the Tufts alumni association that states Publications: Tufts Magazine, quarterly. Price: free. Circulation: 80,000. Advertising: not accepted. Alternate Formats: online. That's not SIGCOV by any stretch. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per Aymatth2. WeAreAllHere _talk 06:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tufts University as the part of University's publishing activities. --Well I dont (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tufts University. Tufts is a major university but there doesn't seems to be consensus to keep these article on alumni magazines unfortunately, assuming there was coverage. I see no reason to keep it. scope_creep^Talk 15:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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