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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Depression 01W[edit]

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The page says it is a disambiguation page, but as JHunterJ (talk · contribs) pointed out to me recently, these sorts of articles in the hurricane project aren't dabs at all, but more set index pages. This page is simply a list of storms that were at one point named "Tropical Depression 01W" going back to 2000. However, this is the Joint Typhoon Warning Center's designation for the first storm every year in the western Pacific Ocean. Wikipedia isn't meant to be a directory, especially for something as trivial as what the first storm in a basin is each year. While "Tropical Storm Ana" at least has the usefulness of all storms named Ana, 01W is merely the designation that the United States military uses in warnings for the area. It isn't a commonly used designation either, and no wiki page links to any of these.

In addition to 01W, the following lists should be deleted for the same argument.

♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2016 August 24. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 02:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Because this is not a dab and would be as pointless as making lists for every Atlantic tropical cyclone to have ever been declared Tropical Depression One, Two, Three, and so on.--12george1 (talk) 02:28, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. These pages are not disambiguation pages. Some show no articles titled Tropical Depression __W. Those that do have one or more such titles are not links to articles but links to sections within hurricane season articles or a major storm article. These are simply catalogs or directories of tropical depressions that became named systems. The substance is covered in the season article or the storm article. If any of these have notability standing alone (there are a few, e.g. Tropical Depression Wilma (2013) but apparently not many), they have or should have separate articles. Indeed, in the case I mention, that also is a named storm article because of its unusual character, not just Tropical Depression number __. These articles appear to be of little if any value. In any event, they are not disambiguation pages. Donner60 (talk) 05:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Delete them all as they have no point being a disamb article here. Plus, as Hurricanehink mentioned, the first designated systems with the "W" suffix was during 1945. Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom Prevan (talk) 14:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm wondering if Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones would find these useful if they were moved into their project space. Having a directory-like set of pages could help with tracking real articles, maybe. I've added a notice on their talk page. — Gorthian (talk) 17:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC) I opt to delete, per explanations below, and for housekeeping. — Gorthian (talk) 18:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • They're not useful though, as these pages are for a very singular purpose (the designations coming from an unofficial warning agency), and we have a system for tracking our articles, using a different agency and designations. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I thought you guys would have a good tracking system, but it never hurts to ask! — Gorthian (talk) 18:17, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete - per nom - I would also suggest that Tropical_Depression_One gets added to the nomination if @Hurricanehink: agrees.Jason Rees (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. -- Tavix (talk) 03:57, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see several members of the TCWP endorsing a deletion of those pages but I am not sure wether they will still be happy about such an outcome later on. Bearing in mind that in this basin tropical storm naming does not start each year with the letter A and yet is not alphabetical at all I find this lists helpful. I just don't know if this considerations is good enough for vote keep or not. --Matthiasb (talk) 22:44, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But the list isn't anything specific. We already have the first storm of each year since 2000 on the season articles themselves. We don't have List of Atlantic hurricanes beginning with the letter A, which would be the equivalent in another basin. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:49, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually not. The equivalent in the Atl would be Tropical depression 01L which would or would not contain only names starting with A; if 01L would not develop, Tropical Storm Andrea might be 02L or even 03L if even the second system was too weak. For example, EPac Bud 2006 was 03E. --Matthiasb (talk) 23:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, and that article doesn't exist for the same reason. You'd go to each season to see the first storm, second storm, etc. Its placement in the season is clearly a matter for the season article, not for some arbitrary list article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. These occur almost every year, and we already have season articles for that, thus invalidating their usefulness. Anyway they're horribly outdated and would take really long to clean up, and I'd rather we spend that time doing up season articles instead. ~ KN2731 {talk} 11:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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