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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. CitiCat ♫ 02:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Towson Bypass-Burke Avenue-Putty Hill Road-Rossville Boulevard[edit]

Towson Bypass-Burke Avenue-Putty Hill Road-Rossville Boulevard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable local arterial. Not a part of any numbered highway. —Scott5114↗ 02:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I'm pretty sure a road needs a number to be notable, and in any case I don't see us getting many sources to prove why this needs to be in an encyclopedia. Oh, for the want of an actual policy on this. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Even if this is kept, it's in desperate need of a title change. The present title is a tad confusing. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Maryland Route 45#MD 45 Bypass. There seems to be some notability for this section: [1] There may be some history behind the stub at the east end of Rossville Boulevard, but I can't find anything. --NE2 04:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment This long road intersects with MD-45, and does twice, so therefore, it does not make sense to combine it into a common article. That is why I put the main article template linking to this one in the bypass section of the MD-45 article. Sebwite 20:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Towson Bypass-Burke Avenue-Putty Hill Road-Rossville Boulevard (don't try saying that without breathing in first) leads to the road of deletion--Victor falk 11:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a long road with some notable landmarks. It is still just a stub in its infancy, so more can be written in the future. Sebwite 20:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The landmarks may be notable, but what makes the road notable?--Victor falk 20:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning towards delete. It's not a unified road and I was unable to find significant citations for its various pieces (on a cursory web search). How major is this road anyway? Is its functional classification a principal arterial or a minor arterial? Maybe a better suited to a "List of arterial roads in Baltimore County"? --Polaron | Talk 21:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or weak merge per above. --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom. What seems to look like a bunch of stubs with no clear notability master sonT - C 00:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Certainly doesn't come off as notable. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete the title is too long and its not notable. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 02:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Thanks to the above 4 responses, there are now more "deletes" than "keeps." These four do not sound individualistic, but rather are in support of the one before. They all came within a few hours of one another, and may very well be a group of people who know one another, supporting the nominator, or even possibly the same person.
The nominator of this article has made other weak nominations. For example, he nominated Howard Street (Baltimore), only to get a long, unanimous list of "keeps." Some of the user names involved in the above 4 deletes are also involved in the Windsor Mill Road discussion, only giving more fuel to the possibility that these people are all supporting the nominator's cause. The times posted are all very close. What is the likelihood that such a large number of people would each support the deletion of articles on two separate streets in different parts of town under such indentical circumstances?
Anyway, this article is notable for many reasons. Wikipedia policy opposes the creation of a page on your own side street. Meanwhile, this is a road that altogether (under its many names) is more than 10 miles long, and is of great importance to the county. Just sit anywhere along the road, and not a minute will go by without a countless number of cars passing. The information about its route is completely verifiable from a Mapquest-like program. Other information, for which finding sources will take longer, can also be verified. I do agree that the title should be simplified. I just have not thought of a new title for it yet. Sebwite 15:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So if four people hold the same opinion, they must all be socks of each other? --Rschen7754 (T C) 20:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not automatically accusing them of sock or meat puppetry. But I am bringing up my suspicions as a concern. It is just the appearance of the whole thing. Besides, in this debate and especially the one for Windsor Mill Road, the nominator seems to be strongly rebutting all posts in favor of keeping the articles. Under no circumstances should these articles be deleted without this being investigated by an expert in the subject and resolved. Sebwite 23:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, okay. Until then, assume good faith, please. —Scott5114↗ 23:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that all four of us have extensive edit histories going back 1-2 (for me 2.5) years, and considering that I live in California, master_son lives somewhere in the Midwest, JA10 lives in Pennsylvania, and TMF lives in New York... --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't known Baltimore, all you know is data, not the whole picture. I have lived in the Baltimore area for 30 years, and driven down these roads countless times. Others should feel free to post. But more weight should be given to those who know these roads well and know what they are talking about when they view the road as notable. Sebwite 23:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So "my vote should count more than yours?" No. --Rschen7754 (T C) 00:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the numbers of "keeps" and "deletes" is not the basis for the decision. It is the meaning of the points made in the arguments. The "keeps" and some of the "merges" here have made really good points in favor of keeping. Meanwhile, the "deletes" are mostly out-of-towners who are thinking technical and trying to back up others who posted "deletes" or else rebutt the "keeps," but who really do not know the road and why those who voted "keep" felt it was worth doing so. Sebwite 19:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In some sense, out-of-towners (or those even Timoniumites who don't come down the road) may be more able to see clearly here. If the road is only of extremely local notability such that it can't be described to others and even that notability can't be supported, is it really notable? See this essay for some thoughts. DMacks 19:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above. Since at least the Towson Bypass part of this is associated with MD 45 (designated MD 45 bypass), it makes sense to merge it there. After all, Maryland Route 835A is merged with Maryland Route 835.-Jeff (talk) 04:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above. Various parts might be notable, it might go past notable places/things. It itself doesn't seem notable (notability generally isn't inherited). Other AfD noms and the motivations behind the nominators are irrelevant, and (within a few) the number of comments one way or the other are not relevant. This isn't a vote. If the topic is viable and we're not swamped with puppets (which we don't seem to be, lots of unrelated folks here too), please give the closing admin a bit of credit that he might be able to see through whatever is going on here, and then take it to review if you have serious concerns. DMacks 02:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Idea: Though I have very much and do still favor keeping this particular article, I understand the point behind its consideration for deletion - to limit the number of road articles. But it is possible to write about smaller roads within the articles about the towns in which they are in. If a road has some importance to thru traffic or is home to some landmarks, but is contained mostly to a single town name or zip code, a few lines or paragraphs about that road can be written within that town's article. See what I have done in the articles on Owings Mills and Pikesville for an example of this. Meanwhile, a road like this one that has no number but transverses two or more cities or towns can still have its own article. Sebwite 20:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Update I have since merged two other road articles I originally created into their respective towns: Red Run Boulevard and Shawan Road. Since their creation, I have found little to write about them, and I could not see others easily expanding them above the stub level. Meanwhile, this road, being more than 10 miles long, and passing through multiple localities, may need some more time before it is determined whether to keep it as a separate article or be merged into another. Sebwite 01:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Someone please tell me this is some sick joke to see how long a ridiculous article (such as this) can survive on Wikipedia. Really now. Burntsauce 23:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:50k  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 06:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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