Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thunder Express

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The result was No consensus. This is a very borderline one, and I think it's best to err on the side of Keep at the moment. I am going to do some more research on it with a view as to whether it should stay or perhaps be merged and redirected elsewhere. Black Kite 11:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thunder Express[edit]

Non-notable subject fails WP:BAND. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 12:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dont belive that this article should be deleted since it meets the "Criteria for musicians and ensembles" points 4, 5 and 6...

Roger Workman (talk) 12:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any references to back up your claims, because I've searched and can't find any. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 16:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

4 Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.

I might have spoke to soon on this one, Thuder Express have played alot of dates in sweden with many guest apperences from highprofiled bands in sweden. But not with major coverage from reliable sources, my bad...

5 Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

2 albums released on Razzia Record (major label).

6 Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable:

Robert Dahlqvist (vocals and guitar) is currently a member of the highly succesfull rockband The Hellacopters, the Copters have also decided to call it quits after their latest tour so Thunder Express will most likely be Roberts main project in the years to come.

So #4 might be out of the question (as of now) but 5 and 6 definatly counts...

Roger Workman (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. I agree with you for #4, the old reliable non-trivial bit has been hard to find. For #5, there are 2 things. Firstly they haven't released 2 albums on Razzia, only 1; Republic Disgrace. The other album, We Play for Pleasure was released on DeAf & Dumb Records, see Allmusic.com, and billboard.com. Secondly I'm seeing nothing to prove that Razzia is a major label; no wikipedia page, and not a lot on google apart from their official website.

As for #6, you forgot in your quote the next bit regarding side projects, which the article states this is. Your comment that this will most likely be his main project in the years to come, is without reliable sources, only your opinion and crystal balling.

Right now, I'm just not seeing enough to pass WP:MUSIC. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 17:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Roger Universal Cereal Bus ♫♪ 15:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Libs (talk) 13:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a Robert Dahlqvist article with info on his early career, The Hellacopters, Thunder Express, other guest apperneces and musical equipment would be the best solution? And simple use the Thunder Express page to redirect to that article? Roger Workman (talk) 18:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am failing to find any independent sources that show anything notable about this band --T-rex 20:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per criteria #6 of WP:BAND. Looks like it meets it. I acknowledge this is stated as being a "side project", but I feel a redirect to The Hellacopters would be awkward and some cleanup and sourcing of this article would be a better idea. WP:UCS and WP:IAR and all that jazz. Tan ǀ 39 20:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lack of evidence to verify if this is a major or minor project of the presumably notable band member. Probably meets WP:MUSIC #6, but that doesn't guarantee this band inclusion, as we have no reliable coverage to base on and write an article. --PeaceNT (talk) 04:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
delete non-notable. Fair Deal (talk) 12:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 2 albums make them notable enough for me. (Is there a definition for a major label that is not POV?) So has #5 and #6 of WP:BAND in its favour.Yobmod (talk) 10:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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