Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thummer keyboard

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Jammer keyboard. Merging can be done editorially from behind the redirect, at anyone's desire. Daniel (talk) 09:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thummer keyboard[edit]

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The Thummer keyboard never came to market, but it did get press and "awards". The article seems to be a sort of memorial piece by the Thummer's inventor, who is actually the Wikipedia editor JimPlamondon. Plamondon has also been heavily editing the page; here is a recent version after his edits.

Jammer keyboard, which also describes another Plamondon product, is in quite bad shape but I have the sense that it is actually notable, as some people made physical open source versions of it.

My suggestion is that we delete this article (the Thummer), based on dubious notability and the promotional involvement of its inventor in the article, and merge any content to the Jammer keyboard. --- Possibly ☎ 08:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Products-related deletion discussions. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. I respectfully beg to differ. The Thummer DID win awards, and WAS written up in a variety of secondary sources, notably including the Wall Street Journal. It sparked the development of various DIY jammer keyboards (that is, Thummer-clone), which you have said above are, together, notable. How can the clones be notable if that which is being cloned is not? Clearly, the Thummer must have been notable to spark interest in making jammers. Yes, I have been heavily involved in editing the page. It had been marked for deletion, so my edits were primarily geared towards adding evidence of the Thummer's notability -- awards it had won, grants it had received, secondary sources that mentioned various aspects of it, etc. All factual, with secondary sources cited. So, what's your beef, Possibly? Why delete all of this factual, secondary-sourced, notable information? What's the point? Respectfully, :--JimPlamondon (talk) 08:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your viewpoint is as an inventor and marketer, and that showed in your versions of the article. The small amount of material there is can be merged to the Jammer article. the fact that you got grants, trademarks and patents does not matter at all. Those are available to almost every product. The press coverage was all right after the product's announcement and marketing in 2006-2007. Also, please properly declare your COI, per WP:COI. --- Possibly ☎ 08:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Jammer keyboard. If I am reading all these articles correctly, the Thummer was an early version that never got off the ground, and inspired the Jammer which did get off the ground. Therefore the Thummer is an item in the Jammer's early history. I am also not convinced that the Thummer won "awards" as a prototype, as opposed to start-up funding and some media mentions. Having articles on both of these instruments is inefficient and redundant. Meanwhile, the Jammer article needs to be cleaned up, with the removal of promotional language, though it can be enhanced with some more early Thummer history. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:15, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as both of questionable notability and non-neutrally written. Any inclusion of information into jammer keyboard, which is also of questionable notability, can be done after the fact by a neutral editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Jammer keyboard and merge the parts that don't resemble an item in a marketer's CV. Just plain Bill (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.