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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There does not seem to be enough support for deletion. Mergers were proposed but with little support, they should probably be discussed further on the talk pages as a merger does not require an AfD. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:13, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies[edit]

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Low importance, No indication of importance, Transfer to wikiquote, not notable subject to have an independent article, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. we can merge it on Saddam Husein or on Iran-Iraq relations and Israel-iraq relations or merge it on Racism in the Arab world , some article like this merged before, for example: Israel will not exist in 25 years (Merged and Redirected to Ali Khamenei) or We should kill everyone in China (deleted) The Stray Dog by Sadeq Hedayat 15:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- This was not an off-the-cuff remark by one individual, but a considered propaganda statement promulgated by the Ba'thist regime in Iraq. We have articles on "Who remembers the Armenians?", The Turner Diaries etc, so not too sure why this article is in need of deletion. It will probably never be a lengthy article, but it has notability, and it would be blurred together with a bunch of other only loosely-related stuff if merged... AnonMoos (talk) 02:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • (ec)Merge seems appropriate, as we have multiple RS mentions, but without really good detail on the content of the pamphlet itself. I don't think the proposed merge target title is appropriate, because both 'Jew' and 'Persian' ethic or national identities, and arguably in the case of the former also a religious identity, but none are racism. The world is getting sloppy about calling ethic prejudice and the like racism when it is not based on race; Wikipedia should not follow that trend. Jclemens (talk) 02:55, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens: isnt racism ? religious?? Please see Persian people isnt a religion and its second demonym for Iranian people and its a major ethnic in Iran and Jew means both Jewish race and religion also saddam wasnt a clergyman he was a dictator. please keep your informations up to dated cuz its absolutely racism and Saddam Hussein killed a lot of Iranian people in Iraq-Iran war and made a lot of genocides against them and he threatened Israel for numerous times. he recognized as a genocide maker and executed in Iraq for his criminals .The Stray Dog by Sadeq Hedayat 16:59, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Racism is not ethnic conflict/hatred, nor is it religious conflict/hatred. The most appropriate part of the quote that could properly be termed racism is the anti-dog sentiment, but I would tend to call that species-ism. Racism is utterly and truly reprehensible... but not every reason one man unjustly hates another is racism. Jclemens (talk) 17:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens: thank you so much for your response, im so glad when i can see you are contributing with me here. your response is so clear. yes you are right, but saddam killed Iraqi kurdish people and made genocide against them in Iraqi kurdistan and Bathism is kinda pan-arabisim and its a soft racism ideology cuz do not respect to other people instead of Arabs and their right such as Kurdish (an Iranian tribe) but when saddam said Persian it means Persian race such as Persian empire , language and culture , im not speciallist but i think its maybe Fascism. for example Hitler made holocaust based on Fascism and Saddam also killed Iraqi Kurdish based on that either. The Stray Dog by Sadeq Hedayat 20:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does seem perhaps unfair to merge it to the more general Racism in the Arab world when it was clearly a propaganda tool of the Hussein regime, specifically. So I'd somewhat prefer a merge target that ties it more squarely to the Ba'thist regime? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Shawn in Montreal: How about we merge to Ba'athist Iraq? We could then put it under sections "Early years, Iran-Iraq War and aftermath (1979–1990)" (going by chronology) or "State ideology". Alternately, we could even create a separate "State propaganda" section and then add this in. GABgab 18:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, I think that would probably be more accurate and fair given that, well, generalizations are bad. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:02, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • Then it would be blurred together with a bunch of other only loosely-related stuff (as I said above). I don't see how that would be an improvement... AnonMoos (talk) 05:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is covered in numerous books and has historical importance. Article needs improvement though. Instaurare (talk) 04:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  10:06, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Striking duplicate vote. @TheStrayDog: you voted at the top of the discussion and you are the nominator. Technically, your nomination was your vote. • Gene93k (talk) 19:50, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Gene93k: yes, thanks for mentioning my faults. happy editing. The Stray Dog by Sadeq Hedayat 20:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a great article, but references in books make this an independently notable subject, in my opinion. Keep. Drmies (talk) 20:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Drmies. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep sources present in the article seem to establish the notability of the topic. I would assume there are even more out there, in other languages, to help with improving the article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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