Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Carskadon

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The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 16:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Carskadon[edit]

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Article with no references about a failed political candidate from the 1800s. No clear notability. Bitmapped (talk) 03:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:38, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:38, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:38, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A source for this man appears to be Debates and Proceedings of the First Constitutional Convention of West Virginia (1861-1863) (1939, by Charles Henry Ambler, Frances Haney Atwood, William Burdette Mathews), which only has a snippet view on Google books [1]. The search results page shows the text "His father, Thomas Carskadon, a slave owner, represented Hampshire County in the Virginia General Assembly for six years (1827-1832), where he, after the Nat Turner insurrection, favored the abolition of Negro slavery. He was a Whig and ..." which suggests that Thomas Carskadon senior would have presumed notability as a member of a state legislature. I can't see enough of the book to tell whether Thomas Carskadon junior's role in the constitutional convention was considered notable. But other than that, I don't find sources online. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:30, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation if somebody with much better access to historical databases of West Virginia media coverage than I've got can write and reference something significantly better than this. Being a non-winning candidate for state governor is not an automatic WP:NPOL pass — it can get him over the bar if he can be referenced well enough to clear WP:GNG, but is not "inherently" notable enough that the "need" to maintain an article would override the need to source it properly, and nothing else here is a strong inherent notability boost either. If his father served in the state legislature, then we should certainly have an article about his father — but even then, he still wouldn't inherit notability just for having a notable father either. Bearcat (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep expanded. prominent politician. His house is NRHP listed, and this article might be a plausible redirect or merge to the house page. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 22:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Bearcat and RebeccaGreen: would you look now? I feel notability is met as a very prominent west virginia citizen. Of further interest is the NRHP listing. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Eddie891's edits and expansion. Article clearly meets WP:GNG, and the fact that he did not successfully win office is thus irrelevant. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Eddie891's work in adding references and expanding the article now demonstrates his notability. I searched again in Newspapers.com with his middle initial included, and found and added some other references. (I hope people won't think it's too much like WP:REFBOMBing - anyone is of course free to delete any.) The most useful I've added is probably an obituary, which describes him as having a national reputation as a Prohibition leader. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SNOW] KEEP per WP:HEYMANN upgrade of ancient, unsourced article by User:Eddie891 and User:RebeccaGreen.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since it has now been expanded and has citations. The original issues that led to me listing the article no longer apply. Bitmapped (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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