Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Themis Panou

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 05:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Themis Panou[edit]

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Nothing in either Greek or non-Greek media to support inclusion. The page was created by a kamikaze account, probably the same sockpuppet who is furiously active under many aliases in a film director's entries here. The text does not meet WP:NACTOR or even WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 09:12, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Devokewater @ 10:41, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:45, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:45, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The only reason for the article to remain is if the Volpi award Panou got in 2013 is considered "a well-known and significant" one (cf. WP:ANYBIO), because besides that there isn't much on him. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 08:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, winning the Volpi cup is enough for wikipedia inclusion.--RZuo (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC) Venice Film Festival is one of the "Big Three" European film festivals, alongside Cannes and Berlin. Volpi Cup (Coppa Volpi) is the principal award given to actors at Venice. WP:ANYBIO: The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor.--RZuo (talk) 10:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How so? The criteria set forth by WP:NACTOR are quite explicit: The subject must have had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or a large fan base ; or a significant cult following; or made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. None of these are met by our subject. Wikipedia is not a directory of films or actors. -The Gnome (talk) 21:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By searching in Greek, it turns out Θέμης Πάνου is not only a surely notable actor in the Greek cinema, but also a writer, having his book Παραθερισταί με ελαφρά αισθήματα recently nominated for 7ων Βραβείων Βιβλίου Public, and a trade unionist, running for union election. I only listed one source for each activity but you can find more by googling yourself. He's also done interviews with various Greek magazines/papers/tv in the past.

I wonder what the nominator has done to reject all these references and say Nothing in either Greek or non-Greek media to support inclusion.--RZuo (talk) 10:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, I speak modern Greek rather fluently. Rest assured that, before nominating, I did the necessary search. The subject of the article is a Greek actor. He had one of his books nominated for some promotional competition run by a bookstore chain. He is also a member of the actors' union. All this may be quite commendable but, once more, it does not meet the criteria set forth by WP:NACTOR, as quoted above, or WP:NCREATIVE, or even WP:GNG. There are probably two hundred Greek actors more notable in Greece than Panou. What can I do but to repeat that Wikipedia is not a directory of cinema? -The Gnome (talk) 12:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

However notable those actors might be, none of them won the Volpi Cup. In fact, only one other Greek, Melina Mercouri in 1960, won an award given to best actors or actresses in the Big Three. Those actors The Gnome boast about would probably not be notable because Wikipedia is not a directory of cinema, but the achievements Themis Panou has had enable a wiki entry.--RZuo (talk) 09:49, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where did the plural for "achievements" come from? -The Gnome (talk) 06:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RZuo: The "Βραβεία Βιβλίου Public" (Public Book Awards) is a pure marketing thing promoted by the Greek retail chain of books, media and electronics "Public". ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 11:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the multiple reliable sourcing is not there to establish notability. If the awards mentioned were truly at the level to create notability we would have the multiple sourcing to go along with it to pass GNG, which is lacking.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The contention is simply he won the best actor at a Big Three and so he should be included.

As for other roles in life, it shows he's covered by the media not only for his acting.

Those that quibble about sourcing certainly dont bother Googling, otherwise it's impossible to miss all the references.

I suppose Kathimerini is mainstream media?

Then on this newspaper alone these are just a fingertip away:

https://www.kathimerini.gr/71322/article/proswpa/proskhnio/8emhs-panoy-kai-o-mprant-pit-phre-to-vraveio-sth-venetia-alla-ekeinos-epestreye-sthn-epaylh-toy-enw-egw-sto-tapeino-moy-spiti
https://www.kathimerini.gr/821922/article/proswpa/synentey3eis/apo-to-a-ews-to-w-8emhs-panoy
https://www.kathimerini.gr/935893/article/politismos/8eatro/8emhs-panoy-dromeas-8eatrikwn-apostasewn
https://www.kathimerini.gr/1014239/article/politismos/kinhmatografos/oi-enhlikes-sto-dwmatio-se-gyrismata quote: Τον ένθερμο οπαδό της αποχώρησης από την Ευρωπαϊκή Ενωση, ρόλο που «καθρεφτίζει» τον Παναγιώτη Λαφαζάνη χωρίς να τον κατονομάζει, υποδύεται ο Θέμης Πάνου, ο μοναδικός Ελληνας ηθοποιός που έχει κερδίσει βραβείο ανδρικού ρόλου στο Φεστιβάλ Βενετίας. -> a significant role in Costa-Gavras's Adults in the Room.
https://www.kathimerini.gr/1056123/article/proswpa/proskhnio/500-le3eis-me-ton-8emh-panoy
https://www.kathimerini.gr/1074254/article/proswpa/proskhnio/ena-eikositetrawro-karantinas-me-ton-h8opoio-8emh-panoy

The same goes for other List_of_newspapers_in_Greece#Greek_daily_newspapers. As I have said, I only listed one source for each activity but you can find more by googling yourself. Those who care would not be fooled.--RZuo (talk) 11:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since the person lacks the in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources to be notable. Unfortunately the stories provided by RZuo don't really work. Since according to the guidelines multiple sources from the same outlet only count as a single source. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Venice Film Festival is one of the most prestigious film festivals in the world (in Europe, only Cannes and Berlin outrank it). Every single other actor who has won the Volpi Cup for Best Actor at Venice (given since 1934 albeit with some years skipped) has a Wikipedia article. This article needs improvement but it seems unlikely that an actor who won Best Actor at Venice could not be established as notable per WP:NACTOR. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, subject fails WP:NACTOR. I was persuaded by Metropolitan90's argument as I did not see that anyone has raised a doubt over the notability of the Volpi Cup for Best Actor and it (generally) only gives out one award for each actor/actress per year. But, WP:NACTOR does not have a criteria for receiving a notable award and so this defaults to WP:GNG (at least for me) - which is not met at this time. Maybe WP:TOOSOON? Ifnord (talk) 17:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand your point, yet RZuo has shown that Kathimerini has interviewed Panou at least five times. I understand that that might not count for much (interviews count for less than third-party profiles, and repeated coverage from the same newspaper counts for less than coverage from different sources), but it does suggest that other reliable, independent sources are likely to exist, albeit in Greek, a language I can't read. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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