Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Merge and Refresh Worship Toronto ministries

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete – no verifiable sources, fails WP:MUSIC. - KrakatoaKatie 21:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Merge and Refresh Worship Toronto ministries[edit]

Doesn't appear to meet any of the criteria for WP:BAND. This seems to be about a worship band in a church- does not need its own article. Also, it is written in an unencyclopaedic tone, and has a "promotional" feel to it. Article is long, and a lot of effort seems to have gone into it, but the subject does not seem to merit its own Wikipedia article Lurker 13:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do think that perhaps a small amount of information from the article could be merged into the article on the parent church, though I have concerns about the notability and tone of that article too Lurker 14:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the nominator - I see no indication that they pass even the generic guidelines. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 14:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are professional bands that have wikipedia pages that also seem to have a promotional feel to it. There are even pages based for fiction like Batman and Superman comics. Though this may have a "promotional feel" towards it, it is interesting to know about this band. That people may want to check them out. I see in the page that the band members are volunteers which is wonderful since they are budgeting much of their time to do this. It must have been a band member who felt connected to his/her team that led him/her to do this, so maybe it is best we cut them some slack. Though it is written in an "unencyclopaedic tone", it is still easy to read and follow suit. I'll say, personally, that I like the page, and it stressed that it is a volunteering band, not a professional band. So maybe the page can be left on - it is not hurting anyone is it? --- dr 11:12, 8 June 2007

Delete no indication of notability, no independent sources. And as to the above comment, see WP:ILIKEIT and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. NawlinWiki 21:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's really unclear as to whether the article is trying to be about the band or about the ministry. As a band, they do not appear to pass WP:MUSIC, but notability standards for outreach ministries have not been set (so we fall back to the generic independent sources test). If their ministry really was responsible for 2,000 conversions in Ghana, then that's notable, but It was reported... won't do, we need to know who reported it. If it is rewritten to focus on the ministry, what it is for and what it has done and why this is notable, and add references to independent sources, then I think the article could stay. Capmango 22:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be written about the ministry. Under the umbrella of the ministry comes the band. The 2,000 conversions in Ghana was testified in a church service, if I read it carefully, not documented. The article should stay, since it tells us a lot of what is going on out there. This band may be a "religious" band, but it is outstanding to see young people voluntarily spending lots of their energy into music. It can be a boost of confidence for new upcoming musicians. Even then, the professional bands that made their way into wikipedia must have started off as this Merge Band. Suffice it to say that maybe this wikipedia page must have been made by a member of the band, and with a band, many members may consider each other as family. I'd say it is best that the page stays up and that it focuses on ministry - it takes people to make a ministry (of any kind) to function, so with this, it took this band. Let's give some time for the article to get organised, and it should be good in the near future. Part of being an electronic encyclopaedia is that one should be able to find almost anything for information. First we see non-fiction, but when you type a fictional work, say, Spider-Man, an article shows up! Maybe it's best that if such articles are allowed to stay, this one can too! There must have been many people who have heard about this Merge Ministry and would have taken an interest to know who some of the members are, as well as learn more about the Ministry. I believe Wikipedia is fulfilling its purpose in this department. :-) --- dr 23:47, 8 June 2007
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Narrowly Fails WP:MUSIC. I think the 2000 conversions needs to be put past the WP:V test. ~ Infrangible 02:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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