Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Knickerbocker Gang

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Knickerbocker Gang[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Only primary source: only IMDb. Can't find any sources on the subject of this article. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Has an article in five other language Wikipedias. The essential facts check out in English and the best sources are likely to be in German. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Quite aside from that "having articles on other Wikipedias" satisfies no notability criterion on this Wikipedia, actually looking at those other articles quickly reveals that four of the five are completely unsourced, and the fifth sourced only to the author's own website. If there is indeed significant coverage in secondary sources in German, let's see it. No prejudice against a redirect to the author's article; the pertinent information is already there, and a merge wouldn't be necessary. Ravenswing 02:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative keep. This would be a stronger keep, but I'm limited in what I can access as far as German language sourcing goes. I've left a note for the Austrian WikiProject (and may for the German one as well) to see if they can help with sourcing. There was quite a bit of coverage for the adult novel published in 2017, which mentions how popular and widespread the series has been. It seems extremely likely that coverage is out there, just not on the Internet. In the meantime, I believe that the coverage for the adult novel is enough to establish notability for the series. Given that the adult novel wouldn't have gained the coverage without the series being so beloved and notable, I think it'd be best for there to be a series page rather than a single page for the adult novel. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the German article, it has two references. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 14:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But if you look at the sources beyond what is cited by Wikipedia, such as those found by this search, you find far more than 2 sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The books have been translated into 19 languages and published in several countries, translated from the German Wikipedia. It's a proof of notability (and I can confirm that the series is translated in French under the title Les K). And as Andrew said, the best sources are likely to be in German. --Deansfa (talk) 01:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative keep. A German-language search for "Die Knickerbocker-Bande" turns up coverage such as [1][2][3][4][5]. Some of these news sources appear to be focused on the author, Thomas Brezina, with information about the Knickerbocker series mixed in. I would prefer to see more in the way of book reviews that are specifically focused on the series. However, based on the popularity of the books I'm confident that more sources exist that can be used to improve the article. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article does not need to be deleted, but needs a clean-up and more referencing. BGzest (talk) 04:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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