Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Human Factor (2009 film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines at this time. Davewild (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Human Factor (2009 film)[edit]

This is an article about a planned film, so per the notability guidelines for future films, the article does not yet warrant existence. Looks like filming is scheduled to begin in early 2009, though the actual start of filming is never guaranteed. Erik (talk • contrib) - 01:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 01:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NFF. Current news articles on Morgan Freeman say the film is in pre-production [1]. PC78 (talk) 01:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 01:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per NFF. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:CBALL Artene50 (talk) 04:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NFF and WP:CBALL. Cliff smith ^talk 05:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete without prejudice ~~Keep~~ and expand. I hate to be the odd man out, but apparently it has gone betond the "planning" stage. Eastwood is under contract to direct. Morgan Freman is signed to star as Nelson Mandella. And Matt Daemon is signed to star as Francois Pienaar. These Google search parameters HERE and HERE brought up artcles from June 2008 all the way to today. Things are moving on this one. [2], [3],[4],[5],[6],[7], [8],[9],[10],[11],[12],[13],[14],[15] et al. This one is more than just a rumor. Schmidt (talk) 05:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi. The reason that the notability guidelines for future films recommends that a stand-alone article for a film should not be created until a project enters production is for very good, practical reasons. Budget issues, scripting issues, and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date (hopefully, Morgan Freeman's recent car accident will be followed by a speedy recovery, but it is one example of how a film might be disrupted by events beyond the filmmakers' control). We've seen a lot of projects fall by the wayside at the last minute, so this is the only way of ensuring that this place doesn't get clogged with stubby articles about films which were never made and thus would ultimately fail the general notability guideline. It should also never be assumed that because a film is likely to be reasonably high-profile, with major stars attached, that it will be immune to the usual pitfalls which can affect these productions, especially in the current climate. Projects can be put on hold at the last minute while a director tackles another film (e.g. Spielberg's Lincoln), we had the potential actors' strike, and look at how many productions were postponed, even shelved indefinitely, because of the 2007-2008 Writers Guild of America strike. These included the very high profile Justice League film, Pinkville, and Shantaram among many others. Projects unaffected by any strike shenanigans, yet which are still in development hell, include Jurassic Park IV (which many would consider a no-brainer for a speedy greenlight, and which was actually supposed to be released in 2005), and White Jazz. State of Play, which had Brad Pitt and Edward Norton mere weeks away from filming in November 2007, was a hair's breadth away from being abandoned after Pitt jumped ship. In accordance with the guideline, the article can be recreated without prejudice if and when principal photography is finally confirmed to have begun. All the best, Steve ^{T • C} 07:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schmidt, maybe we could write up a section at Nelson Mandela#Biographical film or something of the like. I did this for Danny Glover#Planned directorial debut for the film Toussaint. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 10:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would be a good idea. Cliff smith ^talk 15:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per my reasons above. Steve ^{T • C} 07:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NFF. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Delete. MrMPS - the best solution would be to put it in some kind of sandbox, so that the article returns and is published for 'wide audience' once the movie is complete. Do as you wish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMPS (talk • contribs)
- Changed my vote. Have moved article to a sandbox. Will work on it with sources as they become avaialable in preparation for possible return as article about the film or inclusion in one like Nelson Mandela#Biographical film, per MrMPS, Erik, Steve ^{T • C}, Cliff smith, and PC78. Thanks all. We'll see if this boat floats. Schmidt (talk) 17:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.