Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Grey School of Wizardry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn for lack of a proper rationale, with a trout for the admin who jumped the gun. Further discussion on the proposed merge may be found at Talk:The Grey School of Wizardry. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 21:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Grey School of Wizardry[edit]

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Completing nomination on behalf of User:Zewai, who posted a request in this thread at WT:AFD. I've asked Zewai to give us a detailed rationale, in light of the discussion there. I'm also nominating the almost-duplicate article at Grey School of Wizardry, as per discussion. On the merits, no opinion. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 15:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 November 26. —cyberbot I ^Notify_Online 15:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It would have been if your bloody bot wasn't so quick on the trigger. But thanks nonetheless. ^_^ UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 15:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP, but merge. It is hard to address the nomination when no reason has been given, and when the nominator has no history of editing, no contributions, no user page, or anything on his talk page but a comment by the editor who posted his nomination for him. In my opinion, it makes perfect sense to either merge the articles or just keep the one which is more complete, less repetitious, and more objective, with less peacock language and advertising copy. I admit that I am biased as the author of the article Grey School of Wizardry. I appreciate the work done by the other author, and I care not whether the merge is done by altering his or mine; I just want the one with the best chance of surviving challenges to remain. However, I consider the nomination for deletion to be wholly without merit. The subject is clearly notable, and sufficient citations and references have been provided to prove it. With time, I'm sure additional material will be added to support it even more. This school is a 501c3 organization, has hundreds of students, and is a project whose faculty and advisers include some of the most notable and respected members of the Neo-Pagan community; among them are: Raymond Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Donald Michael Kraig, Nicki Scully, Robert Lee "Skip" Ellison, Patricia Telesco, Sam Webster, Trina Robbins, Ronald Hutton, Amber K, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Ellen Evert Hopman, Jeff McBride and Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart. The headmaster of this school, Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, has been a respected leader of the neo-Pagan community for over forty years. IMO, the notability of the subject is obvious. Rosencomet (talk) 19:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair points, all. I completed the nomination as per WP:AGF and WP:BITE - but will be happy to withdraw it and close this out if no rationale is forthcoming. Note also that the number of citations isn't the critical factor - rather, we need references that demonstrate the notability of the subject. At least one of the sources (the DailyMail article) seems to be more about the founder than the school, for example. Both versions could also be a bit more neutral in tone, as well, but that's not a cause for deletion. So let's see what the rationale says and then we'll have a look. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 19:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend checking out Grey School of Wizardry rather than the other article with the "The" at the beginning; there are a lot more references to review.Rosencomet (talk) 20:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP, though I would concur with Rosencomet above to merge the two articles. The sheer number of notable people involved with the School males it an entity that is both relevant and notable in itself. The fact the the founder is a pop culture figure only increases the worthiness of it's inclusion... much like an article about a recording by a musician or a movie made by a noted film-maker is. TaliesinG (talk) 20:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the topic, then choose one of the article names for the merge and make the other one be a redirect. I have no preference for which title remains standing. Another possibility is that the two article histories might be merged, though this is a difficult administrative task. The topic by itself is notable (see the more-than-sufficient list of sources in this version of the first article started by Fcia0423, and in this version of the second article started by Rosencomet.) Since the topic meets WP:GNG we naturally would keep it. I don't think the SPA Zewai was acting in good faith. Binksternet (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.