Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Grand Ole Opry's New Star

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as moot: grounds stated in nomination no longer apply, after article updated by Wasted Time R. There seem to be no other issues. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Grand Ole Opry's New Star[edit]

Yes, I realize this album's 50 years old, but wouldn't you think there'd be more to say about it? I mean, come on, there isn't even a freaking track listing, and the Allmusic entry is blank. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 02:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh yeah...Delete. RockManQ (talk) 02:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong, strong keep. George Jones is one of the towering figures of American country music. Category:George Jones albums has 92 albums in it. Why on earth would we delete his first album, which as such is surely notable!? The lack of information currently in the article simply requires some research. For example, discographyguide.com gives a track listing for it. Is it accurate? I don't know, but that's a starting point for investigation. As are books about George Jones to find out about the circumstances of the album, and so forth. The whole point of Wikipedia is that it harnesses the resources of tens of thousands of editors and readers ... one of which out there will have the album, or will have a book that describes the album, or will have some important piece of information that will build up the article. Until then, the article as it stands now is respectable and no offense to anyone. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep First album by a major star would appear to be a freaking strong claim of notability. This is a perfect example of an article that needs expansion, not deletion. Alansohn (talk) 04:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mergeto George Jones unless some referenced information about the album can be found. Was it ever on the charts? Was it reviewed? I am surprised no more information than this is available about it, given how famous Jones is/was. The track listing cited by Wasted Time says the album was released in 2000, so is it the same as the "50 year old" album? Lots of info is available about Elvis' first recording. Why not Jones'? One of the Google hits says that none of the tracks on the album have been released as CDs, which implies they were just not that good, or that he had not yet hit his stride, or that the repertory did not suit the skills of the artist. An articst may be notable without that notability being inherited by all of his efforts, Sousa had some marches which sucked and which are almost never played, and country artists are no better in that respect. Edison2 (talk) 05:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That track listing clearly isn't the original album. Some of the songs might have been on it, such as "Why Baby Why", but others are a bit too late such as "The Windows Up Above", while some are from a whole later era when he was recording for Epic, such as "He Stopped Loving Her Today". Country Music: The Encyclopedia (eds. Irwin Stambler, Grelun Landon) describes the 1957 album, and uses a title without the The in front; a search for that produces this track list. Don't know if that's right either, but again, another avenue for investigation. This cover image of the Canadian version of 1958 confirms no The in front, and also confirms 14 songs; it's hard to read exactly, but some of the track list above appears confirmed, but possibly in a different order. In any case, that encyclopedia entry describes the album, and says it was the first for Starday Records as well as for Jones, adding to its notability. The album was reviewed by All Music Guide, getting 3 stars, but without further description. I think this is a case where for whatever reason, the album doesn't have much of a presence online. That doesn't make it non-notable though, just an interesting research challenge. But who would spend the effort doing that if we're just going to delete it!? Wasted Time R (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand, any album by notable artists should be covered and lack of information in an article is not grounds for deletion. --Reinoutr (talk)
Keep Full, released album by a very, very notable person. George Jones has a published biography (I Lived to Tell It All), so sourcing and expanding shouldn't be a problem. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update. I have now substantially expanded the article, now titled Grand Ole Opry's New Star. It has a full track listing, a description of the album's significance, and a bunch of footnotes explaining where I've gotten my information from. Could somebody snowball keep this perhaps? Wasted Time R (talk) 13:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
100% KEEP! I think this should stay an article becasue George Jones is American music icon and this is his very first album it is not only important for country music but all music!

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