Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Films
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Proto::type 12:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Films[edit]
Band with no claim of passing WP:BAND. Tagged speedy and de-tagged with edit comment "rm tag, signed to major label; expand". WP:BAND says the guideline is two albums on a major label, not signed to work on one album. Weregerbil 04:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:BAND. On whose authority do we have it that they have signed to Warner (as it says in the infobox and nowhere else)? No sources. A search on Google for "the films" and "warner" proves quite fruitful, but then - think about it, it would wouldn't it?! When they release something on the label, maybe they can come back. Bubba hotep 22:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteWeak Delete, while WP:BAND also mentions notable indie labels, the band's old label is not notable enough (I checked), and even if it were, they only have one album on that label. Xtifr tälk 22:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]- The tour info provided by Jeff puts them a lot closer, but not quite, IMO. Anyway, this whole discussion is several times larger than the entire article. It won't hurt anyone to delete this tiny stub for now and recreate it once better evidence of notability is found. Xtifr tälk 14:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- It would make us lose a notable, verifiable article. So yes, it will hurt the project. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The tour info provided by Jeff puts them a lot closer, but not quite, IMO. Anyway, this whole discussion is several times larger than the entire article. It won't hurt anyone to delete this tiny stub for now and recreate it once better evidence of notability is found. Xtifr tälk 14:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. One click onto their Myspace page shows that they're in the midst of an international tour. They meet WP:MUSIC, so keep. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: the band's myspace page hardly counts as a reliable source, now, does it? As I said, I did some checking already, and found no verifiable evidence of notability. If you can do better, please feel free. Xtifr tälk 05:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- It can, actually. WP:V notes that "Material from self-published sources, and other published sources of dubious reliability, may be used as sources in articles about the author(s) of the material, so long as: it is relevant to their notability." --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- It can be confirmed by checking the venue sites (linked from their website). Not sure if they count as verifiable sources, or if WP:MUSIC asks for media sources, so I'm relisting. ~ trialsanderrors 22:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The site itself meets WP:V, which is the point. WP:MUSIC requires a national tour, and we have verification. Done deal. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Btw, you should probably add it to the article. ~ trialsanderrors 22:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:MUSIC does want tour information "reported in notable and verifiable sources". Which makes sense to me, as otherwise it's just too easy to lie about. I could claim to be in the middle of an international tour on my own MySpace page (if I had one). For that matter, I've driven around the country. If I'd taken my guitar and played in parking lots, would I deserve a Wikipedia article? Xtifr tälk 14:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- And I look to WP:V for what constitutes a verifiable source. Meanwhile, if you toured the country, yes, you would. Meanwhile, I have to add this touring info to the article. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:MUSIC does want tour information "reported in notable and verifiable sources". Which makes sense to me, as otherwise it's just too easy to lie about. I could claim to be in the middle of an international tour on my own MySpace page (if I had one). For that matter, I've driven around the country. If I'd taken my guitar and played in parking lots, would I deserve a Wikipedia article? Xtifr tälk 14:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Btw, you should probably add it to the article. ~ trialsanderrors 22:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The site itself meets WP:V, which is the point. WP:MUSIC requires a national tour, and we have verification. Done deal. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- It can be confirmed by checking the venue sites (linked from their website). Not sure if they count as verifiable sources, or if WP:MUSIC asks for media sources, so I'm relisting. ~ trialsanderrors 22:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- It can, actually. WP:V notes that "Material from self-published sources, and other published sources of dubious reliability, may be used as sources in articles about the author(s) of the material, so long as: it is relevant to their notability." --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: the band's myspace page hardly counts as a reliable source, now, does it? As I said, I did some checking already, and found no verifiable evidence of notability. If you can do better, please feel free. Xtifr tälk 05:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, trialsanderrors 22:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete Fails WP:MUSIC scope_creep 22:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:MUSIC is not a speedy criterion. ~ trialsanderrors 22:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nomination. TheRealFennShysa 20:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.