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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was 1 vote to keep, 8 to delete and 5 to merge (three votes were discounted). A clearer consensus is needed to delete, so the result is merge. Ezeu 10:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Decider[edit]

One word (or simple article-noun phrase) from one remark does not make an encyclopedia article. It's ridiculous. --Kbh3rdtalk 07:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I diagree, as this has taken on a life of its own, similar to "Where's the beef?" I will say, however, that it has the danger of becoming horribly NPOV, and thus should be watched closely by experienced Wiki users such as yourself. -- Randvek talk 10:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy Delete as attack page. --Bachrach44 14:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination and Bachrach44. Note that the Oxford English Dictionary defines "decider" as "One who or that which decides (a controversy, question, etc.)" which means that George W. Bush's usage of the word wasn't even incorrect. --Metropolitan90 14:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stop the Republican Takeover of Wikipedia. He said it. Anyone with a legitimate college education would have said "decision maker". It was technically accurate, but it was still goofey. Now its a T-shirt or several hundred variations. It's not an attack. It's a fact. --Mtaus 14:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Republican takeover? Considering the magnitude of the vandalism of the George W. Bush page, I disagree. --RabidMonkeysEatGrass 22:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was funny, yes, but unless it makes some real gains in notability outside of the Daily Show and left-leaning blogs, Delete. We don't have an article for "Food on your family", do we? Nedlum 01:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - We don't have an article for "The Buck Stops Here", an equivalent and much more notable statement by a prior U.S. president. Instead, we have a redirect to the page of the president that said it. GRBerry 01:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Come on now, I know many people don't like Bush, but this is ridiculous Hobbeslover 02:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not notable. Maybe add it to a list of euphemisms used by Bush. --Strothra 02:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. This is barely a Bushism, but if people think it's funny that Bush said "decider", then add it to the list at Bushism instead of keeping it as a separate article. --Metropolitan90 05:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Bushism. --Eivindt@c 12:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If we had an article on every silly/confusing (Make the pie higher!)/ironic/unintentionally humorous thing Bush has said, we'd need a whole new wiki. Wikipedia may not be paper, but we'd run out of bytes before we got through the first term. ScottW 13:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is what Wikiquote is for. --RabidMonkeysEatGrass 22:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Bushism. Ridiculous things from Bush are, sadly, unremarkable. (Though it would be cool if Arnold picked up the nickname 'decisionator'...) Peter Grey 07:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Random House Unabridged Electronic Dictionary also confirms it's a legitimate word, though maybe pretentious. The funny part is the way Bush tries to sound as if he's saying something profound, and instead he comes across as if he just realized what his job for the last five and half years actually entails. Peter Grey 04:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Bushism. As the previous user said Wump 08:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stick it in Bushism. We can't have an individual page for every idiotic thing your president has said. The web isn't big enough. -- GWO
  • Merge with Bushism.It makes sense to have all this president's linguistic butchering collected together. --Piercival 7:42 06May2006
  • Merge with Bushism for the rasons stated above. Technogeek 21:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This word has now entered the lexicon in the NY Times and throughout the blogosphere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxgray7 (talk • contribs)
    • Yes, the New York Times has recognized the word "decider" -- they recognized it before George W. Bush ever said it, because it's an English language word. See this book review from 1992, which quotes John F. Kennedy as saying, "The essence of ultimate decision remains impenetrable to the observer -- often indeed to the decider himself." --Metropolitan90 06:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep reactions can not be merged into bushism --Striver 14:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Bushism prominently links to this article. Link to Video. SugakuKarasu 23:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a neologism. Any relevant information can be placed in the Bushism article.--Jersey Devil 02:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Smerge to Bushisms. It's already there, but possibly a mention of the Daily Show comic could be added if somebody wants. The Kobe quote seems pretty irrelevant. A redirect might be warranted, but I have no strong opinion on that point. Шизомби 04:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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