Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Burning (Seinfeld)

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The result was redirect to Seinfeld (season 9). CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 10:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Burning (Seinfeld)[edit]

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I've taken a look, and I can't find a single source that discusses the topic at length, while the standard is that we need multiple independent reliable sources that discuss the topic in depth. Redirection was attempted and reverted, so I'm taking it to AfD to build consensus. Slashme (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Slashme (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ per nom. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 13:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather recommend a redirect than deletion, though. --Slashme (talk) 18:54, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Some Dude From North Carolina: You have said to redirect this page on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Articles for every episode and on Talk:The Burning (Seinfeld). Are you saying "delete" as in redirection, or do you actually mean delete? Be more specific. OcelotCreeper (talk) 19:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@OcelotCreeper: Sorry for the confusion. I meant redirect to the season article. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic is discussed in detail in sources such as Seinfeld Reference: The Complete Encyclopedia with Biographies, Character Profiles & Episode Summaries; The Ultimate Guide to Seinfeld; The Seinfeld Universe. The nomination does not propose deletion and so it's just the usual case of WP:IMPERFECT for which WP:ATD applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." See also WP:NOTCLEANUP. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My nomination was not in any sense based on the quality of the article, so I'm not sure why you're raising WP:IMPERFECT and WP:NOTCLEANUP. The book sources you mention are a Seinfeld encyclopedia, which is not a secondary source, a TV Guide compendium, and a fan work. They all exist to exhaustively review the show, and therefore of course they mention every episode. That's simply not enough to show that this particular episode is independently notable beyond the show itself. --Slashme (talk) 18:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral on this specific article but I think we have a wider problem here. I was leaning towards delete until I realised that we have an article about every single other episode of Seinfeld. That seems grossly excessive to me and reeks of fancruft in that there is almost nothing but plot summary in these articles. The referencing on the few articles I looked at at random varied between shoddy and non-existent. There may also be some plagiarism / copyright violation going on here but I'm not sure in which direction. Maybe that is somebody taking the content from us? I think it would be entirely legitimate to open a single broader discussion on whether the whole set of articles are valid. If they are not, and I'm not hopeful, then it would be nice give the fans a chance to copy them over to a fan wiki (assuming that they are not copyright violations, of course) before deleting them. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
DanielRigal, I believe there was a discussion, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Articles for every episode, which is still ongoing. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, everything you said there points to a "delete" as per WP:FANCRUFT, WP:ALLPLOT and failure to meet GNG. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:54, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to list article. Not enough in-depth sourcing to pass WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to list article. This article has maybe one good source that contributes to WP:GNG – the 'Production' section source. AndrewD is once again making the fallacious argument that inclusion in what is basically an "index" somehow contributes to notability – it does not. The fact that this episode is included in an "encyclopedia" of every episode of Seinfeld would tend to support the idea that the entire TV series is notable not that an individual episode is. Once again – most TV episodes do not receive enough independent coverage to clear WP:GNG and should not have separate articles. Even for series like Seinfeld there will be some "filler" episodes (like this) that don't get widespread enough (significant) independent coverage to merit an article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:54, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: some sources have been added since I nominated the article, and all of them are works about the series itself. This doesn't help to show independent notability: I still fail to see any indication of impact on wider culture. --Slashme (talk) 20:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Struggling to see any notability. Is a Seinfeld episode really encyclopedia-worthy? An episode from a show about nothing? Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV just for starters. Star7924 (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Pretty much anything has the possibility of becoming notable.★Trekker (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 18:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom with an ATD of Redirect. All but two (one neutral) has weighed in that the subject is not notable for a stand alone article. It is fan coverage, being one of 180 episodes with all but a couple making it to article space, and predominantly consisting of a plot. The article list 179 episodes apparently omitting The Puerto Rican Day. -- Otr500 (talk) 03:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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