Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Taylor (second baseman)

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The result was delete. Wizardman 15:26, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Taylor (second baseman)[edit]

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The subject of this article does not meet the criteria for notability found in Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Baseball. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Reach Out to the Truth 22:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Reach Out to the Truth 22:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Does not meet WP:NBASE, but does appear to meet WP:NCOLLATH. He was a first-team All-American for Baseball America, what appears to be one of only two recognized sources for that year (see 1989 College Baseball All-America Team). Admittedly, college baseball is well below football or basketball, but he was a first-team selection. Obviously would be nice if he were a unanimous selection, but since he made one of only two teams we could say he is a consensus selection, so I would say he meets the standard to presume notability. Considering the fact that they player's prime was 25-30 years ago, I think finding sources will be a challenge. In view of that, I give the presumption its due, presume sources are out there, and say keep. RonSigPi (talk) 22:49, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. College baseball all-americans were intentionally admitted from WP:NSPORTS because of their lack of general coverage. Weak professional career.. lack of sourcing that would rise to GNG. Spanneraol (talk) 12:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you illustrate where that position reached a consensus? Reading the current baseball guideline, it talks about minor league players and major league players, but is silent on American college players. WP:NHOOPS is also silent on college players, but first-team All-Americans are given the presumption. WP:NGRIDIRON has similar negative language to what WP:NBASE states (addressing professionals only), yet first-team All-Americans have constructively been given the presumption. At worst we have a conflict: WP:NBASE says no to the presumption, WP:COLLATH says yes to the presumption. However, to me its more WP:NBASE is silent while WP:COLLATH says yes. Usually, if one guideline is met, then that is enough (look at Nico Siragusa and Evan Bradds). I would be willing to entertain your position if you can show where there was consensus to intentionally omit baseball All-Americans, but otherwise meeting WP:COLLATH leads for me. RonSigPi (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 11#College baseball All-Americans is where it was last specifically addressed and changing the language was not approved. College baseball receives far less national media attention than does college football or basketball. And WP:NCOLLATH does not refer to all-americans specifically.. it's not really an award the way the Golden Spikes Award is. Spanneraol (talk) 22:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To me, the vote is split. Yes, there were more "option 3" than "option 2", but about half those seem to just say "the list is too long." Its not a vote and arguments of that, to me, are nor credible. That being said, some good points were raised on both sides. You are right baseball receives far less that football, but EFL Championship receives far less coverage than the Premier League and the presumption is still valid. College football and basketball receive A LOT of coverage, so its not really a fair comparison. That is why I am comfortable with a first team All-American. A football Honorable Mention is going to likely be more notable than in baseball. Here we have a 1st team guy. I think of it as an award - not a high as the Golden Spikes, but an award none the less (usually you do get some sort of certificate for what its worth). I understand your concern, but I am not seeing enough to go against WP:NCOLLATH. So I stay with weak keep (weak because I do think your side/the delete side make valid enough points that its not a sure fire keep by any means). RonSigPi (talk) 00:37, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Clearly doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:BASE/N. I don't think this meets WP:NCOLLATH either. All-American is not a full fledged "award" and the lack of coverage suggests we shouldn't extend notability to automatically cover it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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