Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teman (Saudi Arabia)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus seems to be that the article is not useful with this content and under this name. I'm deleting it to make way for whatever the editors who are knowledgeable about that topic deem useful. The content can be restored on demand. Sandstein 20:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Teman (Saudi Arabia)[edit]

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It is not clear what is this article about. It seams that "Teman" is "Tema" and is also a lot of thing at the same time. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:48, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the article is about the ancient Arabian tribe(s) Teman and Tema, mentioned in the Bible several times and, no doubt, in traditional Muslim sources too, thus a subject likely to have been discussed extensively in literature of all sorts, academic and religious, in many languages. Though the article has content issues (a very narrow scope, and little context, and I doubt the reliability of some of the sources) it most likely is very notable, though I am not sure where and what to search to establish this. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 01:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- On closer examination: there is definitely a problem with this article, though the subject may be notable. Traditionally (in Arabian sources, as far as I can tell, and certainly in traditional Jewish sources) Teman is identified with Yemen, not with Tayma (Tema) in northern Arabia. The article seems to admit (grudgingly) that this is the standard view, but advocates a WP:FRINGE view instead. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 01:56, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- The article is seeking to discuss what Teman/Tema refers to. There seem to be two uses, which ought to mean two articles, one on Tayma which we have and another on the SW Arabian place/use. This article should then be reduced to a dabpage. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The name of the article is problematic though. Biblical "Teman"/Arabian "Tayman" is, according to both tradition and modern scholarship (see [1]), either the ancient name of Yemen or the name of an Edomite tribe in Jordan. The article as it is—down to its very name—advocates the apparently fringe view that the Arabian (non-Edomite) Teman was in northern Arabia. The content may belong somewhere, depending on just how fringe-y this view is, but not at this title. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 00:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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