Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tefillin campaign

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Mitzvah Campaigns. Even though AfD is not the correct venue for merge discussions, it is pointless to close this just to have the same discussion all over again. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tefillin campaign[edit]

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Merge and Redirect this page to either Mitzvah Campaigns or the main Tefillin articles. This is a violation of WP:POVFORK and WP:NOTWEBHOST and it should not be allowed to function as an alternative for Chabad.org by the now obvious pro-Chabad editors for Chabad, because Wikipedia is not Chabad.org i.e. WP:NOTMYSPACE. These so-called Chabad "campaigns" were essentially PR and recruitment drives of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Shneerson to enlarge the Chabad movement's power and influence and such articles should be collected under the main topic of Mitzvah Campaigns each with brief sentences and short paragraphs summarizing them because they are not worthy of what will eventually become hundreds, if not thousands of such pro-Chabad articles that over-all function as obviously WP:POV-pushing for only one Jewish evangelic-type movement within Judaism that is highly controversial as it faces severe criticisms for Chabad messianism. Note: These type of "_____ campaign" articles should more accurately be called Chabad mitzvah campaigns since it is only that group that engages in this activity and it is no way representative of over-all Orthodox, Charedi, Chasidic Judaism or Judaism in general. A perusal of the main Mitzvah Campaigns article shows that it is about to become the springboard for infinite numbers of needless and often mindless articles, as has already happened with Public menorah now in an AfD, that would be shadows and nothing more in most cases of WP:POVFORKing of the main articles of all sorts of articles in Category:Jews and Judaism. IZAK (talk) 07:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I find the nomination for this deletion and timing problematic for a few reasons. 1) In the nomination itself the nominator inserts his own personal view and commentary about the Chabad movement in what seems to be an effort to swing the public view for deletion. Specifically the nominator says: These so-called Chabad "campaigns" were essentially PR and recruitment drives of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Shneerson to enlarge the Chabad movement's power and influence (emphasis is mine). 2) The timing of this nomination: It was done during another AFD; Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Public_menorah which was created by the same editor as this article, and also seemed to be an effort to swing the public view to delete by creating panic that some editors want dominate WP with Chabad related articles. This is obvious as the current proposed article was created over two years ago and only now when the nom. got into a heated argument with the article creator and other editors (myself included) at the "menora Afd" did he decide to nominate this one also. The result of the "menorah Afd" was keep. It should be noted that shortly after this Tefillin campaign aticle was created, User:Chesdovi found it worthwhile to give User:Yehoishophot Oliver a Barnstar award for creating it. While the article is definitely missing third party sources right now, that can be fixed by tagging the article. The motive for nominating it for deletion seem an obvious result of the nominators conflict with other editors, and mainly his concern that there is an effort to dominate WP with Chabad articles. This should be dealt with by discussion, not by suggesting deletion, which is currently SIX articles of the same editor within only two days. Shlomke (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I also find Izak's remarks very troubling and not appropriate for Wikipedia. Rather than discussing the article on its own merits, he seems to have embarked on a general campaign against Chabad, and any article related to that movement. Chabad has run a lot of different campaigns over the years, many if not all of which are notable in their own right, and there is no reason why there should not be WP articles about them. Whether this particular one is independently notable is a judgment call, but it seems to me that Izak is bothered by the mere fact that it's connected to Lubavitch. His accusation of POVFORK is ridiculous; there is no POV expressed in the article, and it's not a fork of anything. And his aspersions on the Lubavitcher Rebbe's motives are not only off-topic and inflammatory but also a tremendous chutzpah. -- Zsero (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or redirect to Mitzvah Campaigns. I don't know if this is POVFORK but is definitely FORK. Joe407 (talk) 08:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak merge Deinitely less notable and more of a fork than Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public menorah. Debresser (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and Redirect to Mitzvah Campaigns per above. I am deeply concerned about the way a handful of Chabad missionaries are trying to rewrite an encyclopedia into a campaign for pushing their particular theology. RK (talk) 15:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    "Rewrite an encyclopedia"? Will you just listen to yourself? Wikipedia has how many articles? And how many of those are on Chabad-related topics? Chabad is a major sector of Orthodox Judaism, and it covers a lot of different notable topics, each of which is worthy of a separate article. Nobody is trying to rewrite the whole Wikipedia, or to take it over! -- Zsero (talk) 20:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge & redirect ad above. This is notable only as part of the more general Mitzvah campaign. Public menorah is a justifiable article by itself, but not this. BTW, though I think AfD may indeed be a good place to deal with disputed or disputable merges because of the visibility (i.e. I would not have been likely to see the talk p. of either article, but I do see whatever is brought here) -- it does not take AfD to do them. ` DGG ( talk ) 17:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect. As above editors note. Tangurena (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to Mitzvah campaigns with a "see also" under Tefillin, per nom. I also like IZAK's idea of changing Mitzvah Campaigns to Chabad mitzvah campaigns to make it more specific and identifiable. It is noteworthy that the Rebbe successfully used mitzvot as a kiruv tool, but Wikipedia shouldn't become a platform for side-by-side Chabad articles on every mitzvah. Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect as per Izak. We do not need to clutter up WP with articles that can be sourced into another article. Yossiea (talk) 15:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What about the Smag's tefilin campaign, back in the 13th century? That and the Chabad campaign should either both be in this article, or both be included in Tefillin. -- Zsero (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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