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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The arguments to delete seem stronger; those advocating keep appear to be merely bare assertions. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Respinger[edit]

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Very few articles link to this, and almost all her exhibitions are very local. She has not won any major award nor received major recognition. Fails WP:ARTIST. LibStar (talk) 03:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - In a BEFORE search I'm not finding the coverage one would expect from a notable artist. Mostly social media, blogs, user-submitted content and primary sources. I don't think she meets GNG and she does not pass NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep sources adequately cover the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 06:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sources merely confirm her work exhibited in very minor exhibitions like Karrinyup Community Centre, Churchlands Senior High School? Has she exhibited in a major exhibition or major state art gallery? LibStar (talk) 06:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    She has primarily become a mural artist with several prominent murals in Perth and Whanganui that are landmarks for people living in the cities. Where she was exhibited earlier in her career is more background now than the primary story. MarcusCaeruleus (talk) 09:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC) — MarcusCaeruleus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@LibStar I originally created this entry several years ago when the artist was mostly focused on exhibitions. Most of her work now is large scale murals that are well known in Perth, Australia and Whanganui, New Zealand. I believe that this meets the criteria for Creative Works: The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
In Whanganui, New Zealand, I do not believe that there are any more prominent public artworks than that done by Susan Respinger and I believe that that should be considered a significant monument as per Wikipedia's definitions. MarcusCaeruleus (talk) 08:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)— MarcusCaeruleus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@MarcusCaeruleus, have these murals received independent significant coverage in the press, academic journals, art magazines or books to substantiate that they are significant monuments? If that exists, please post those links here, as I'm not finding them, however I'm not located in the Southern hemisphere (which may or may not affect what shows up in an online search.) Her work is beautiful, but because WP is an encyclopedia, she needs to meet certain criteria for inclusion per WP:N and WP:SIGCOV. The article has recently been ref-bombed with non-independent sources, press releases, blogs, user-submitted content, art sales sites, etc. And promotional WP:COPYVIOs by a couple of new SPAs. Netherzone (talk) 16:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google news comes up with a mere 2 hits. I find no evidence that her work is a significant momument. LibStar (talk) 06:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and how come I can find zero coverage of her in the New Zealand Herald? Claims of working on a significant monument are fanciful. LibStar (talk) 13:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone, did you intend to cast a !vote here? LibStar (talk) 11:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LibStar, I did on January 11, and after analyzing the avaiblable sources, !voted delete, based on the thinness of the sourcing and failure to meet WP:NARTIST. Additionally the more recent activity indicates that the subject of the article (and the large number of photos recently added as "own work") the article is moving towards being an autobiography WP:AUTOBIO while not forbidden, I would not consider it best practices.But there also seems that there may be some coordination with the creator, therefore I do think that there is a WP:COI present, and possibly coordination/canvassing. So yes, WP:PROMO. Netherzone (talk) 13:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
apologies, my mistake, I should have seen your vote on January 11. LibStar (talk) 13:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Not enough indepth coverage to pass WP:NARTIST or WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per Randy Kryn.Bookworm857158367 (talk) 12:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:PERX LibStar (talk) 12:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I also searched Australian search engine Trove for zero hits not even a passing mention. I suspect the 2 SPAs working on the article may be the article subject so possible self promotion. LibStar (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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