Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sundanese language in Depok

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The result was redirect to Depok#Culture. Selectively. Sandstein 13:45, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sundanese language in Depok[edit]

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Article about the use of the Sundanese language in Depok, with an infobox claiming that it is a separate language somehow. No evidence that it actually is a separate language, and no evidence that it is a notable subject. There seems to have been some attention to the use of standard Sundanese in school (the section of "Sundanese as local content" seems to deal with this, although the "local content" link leads to a page which doesn't use the term), but none to Depok Sundanese as a language. Fram (talk) 08:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Indonesia. Fram (talk) 08:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram: Why do you suggest this article should be deleted? Meanwhile, the references I have provided are sufficient to prove the use and position of Sundanese in Depok. No need for actual deletion as I can still fix this article. Oh yes, I want to ask if the language infobox template is only for registered languages? Blackman Jr. (talk) 10:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reasons for deletion are in the opening statement right above. And the language infobox should only be used for languages, yes, not for the use of a language in one specific city. Fram (talk) 11:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be more exact: The infobox can also be used for "unregistered" language varieties (= languages or dialects), but: the language variety should 1) be distinct and 2) have WP:SIGCOV as a topic of its own. Now, Sundanese as spoken in Depok most likely is simply part of the Bogor dialect (Bogor Sundanese is a redirect to the main language article), and the variety used in the curriculum certainly is "standard" textbook Sundanese based on Parahyangan dialect. None of the sources tells us that we're dealing with a distinct language variety here, but only with a minor issue about the usage of Sundanese in the curriculum of local schools. This issue doesn't meet WP:GNG. Hence, the best option is to merge this content as suggested below. Unfortunately, the article Sundanese language doesn't have a section about Sundanese language classes in local schools, so the target suggested below is a good temporary solution. –Austronesier (talk) 11:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps we can have article on Muatan Lokal school subject itself collectively as an article as a start and include it there. (Kind of out of topic maybe but I just pointed that out) Nyanardsan (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge selectively to Depok#Culture. It’s fine to have coverage of which languages are spoken in a particular city in the article about the city, but there isn’t enough here to support a stand alone article. It’s also badly written which makes it difficult to decipher what it is trying to say. The bottom line is some people in the city speak Sundanese. That’s maybe two sentences worth in a larger article. Mccapra (talk) 12:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. "Local conctent" is a school subject in Indonesia, which is usually used by many places in Indonesia teach their local languages as part of their school curriculum so this is nothing notable as literally everyone else is doing it. Nyanardsan (talk) 09:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.