Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Robert Morse

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 18:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Robert Morse[edit]

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I don't think either WP:BIO or WP:FILMMAKER are met. Most of the sources only mention him in passing, mainly related to EuroTrump (which is notable) and for example in Newsweek the subject is discussing Geert Wilders (the subject of EuroTrump) but there is nothing biographical about Morse. This source from broadcastnow.co.uk is probably the best in-depth coverage, but as a specialist trade publication it doesn't confer a great deal (if any) notability. Likewise, alumni publications don't confer notability either. SmartSE (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Emmy nomination is adequate evidence that the subject is a significant film maker. There's an alternative to deletion such as merger with a work such as Amanda Knox (film). Our editing policy, WP:PRESERVE, would thus apply. There's also their work for Mother Jones (see Dissed Trust), which seems to have attracted attention. Andrew D. (talk) 21:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSIC contains a criterion about awards, but there is nothing in FILMMAKER that says being nominated for an award makes producers notable. I had meant to say in the nom that I would support a merge and redirect to EuroTrump if the article existed. SmartSE (talk) 12:44, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why not write the article? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:16, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I should be able to get to it later today.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 13:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:39, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 1-2 million viewed viral video about the New Black Panthers, notable business MyTwoCensus, notable film Amanda Knox, notable film EuroTrump (I know, we don't have an article yet, but it's only a matter of time), many in-depth sources covering the guy. I've improved the article, almost doubling its original size and adding many references. I know Morse gets a lot of flak and abuse on social media for cuddling up to right-wingers like Steve Bannon and Geert Wilders, but I think he's just doing the same as Ed Balls and shining a light on what some people actually think, so we can all learn. This is one of the few places on the 'net you can get a totally unbiased and neutral view of Morse, so we should hold on to it. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm absolutely amazed to need to say this but WP:NOTINHERITED covers most of your rationale. Please clarify which links are "many in-depth sources covering the guy" poetsandquants is in-depth, but not reliable. philly is the best so far, but that's still a single reliable source providing substantial coverage of the subject. The remainder seems to be WP:ILIKEIT. SmartSE (talk) 12:44, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see how WP:NOTINHERITED is met. It's not saying "all filmmakers are notable", "all people who've created two films are notable", "all people who've interviewed right-wing despot maniacs are notable" or anything of the sort. I've had that argument lots of times - in response, you need to look at WP:ATD, specifically WP:ATD-R, which suggests a redirect. What do you want to redirect to? There are too many choices = default to "keep". An actual WP:ILIKEIT !vote would be more like "Stephen Robert Morse rulez lol he shows those libtards what Trump Bannon and Wilders can do to u dems. TRUMP FOR 2020!!! lol". Anyway, there are more dedicated sources dealing with Morse as the main subject, such as this one. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:14, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it's pretty clear from the above two contributors that this is easily worth keeping. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:26, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As there is a significant (tho possibly non-notable) film besides the one nominated for an award, and other work, it justifies a separate aticle, not merely a merge to Amanda Knox. DGG ( talk ) 21:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep is now sufficiently referenced and meets GNG.Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.