Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Melamed (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. -- Scott Burley (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Melamed[edit]

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A rather promotional bio of an academic that seems to fail WP:NPROF. Low citation count according to GScholar search, awards and honor are stretching it past breaking point, IMHO. No in depth coverage in reliable sources. I don't think he passes WP:NARTIST, neither; no good references for his academic career except the claim from his homepages have been found. Sure, his work was exhibited in some places, but with next to no effect as in not generating coverage outside a few mentions in passing etc. The prior AfD had people effectively AGFing claims from his homepage, even through most couldn't be verified; nothing has changed since. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He is both a professor and a designer. It is difficult to show notability for educators since they don't cite each other, just put things into practice or run workshops, or serve as founding chairmen of departments. However since the first AfD he has been elected a fellow of the Industrial Designers Society of America. The election announcement verifies much of what is in the article. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- This kind of 'announcement' is often written by the subject himself; I am not sure if it is reliable for things other than of course him being elected to Industrial Designers Society of America (probably a notable organization, but I am not sure becoming a member to it is enough for being notable). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:30, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, you may be thinking of the use of fellow as member, as people who join the Royal Astronomical Society are called fellows. The American usage is often reserved for that small proportion of a society's membership who are honored by being elected fellows. The IDSA has thousands of members but currently about 180 fellows, and it is listed as one of their awards. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

StarryGrandma This is a fair point. Are you saying that because of that fellowship he passes WP:NPROF#3? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:34, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, yes. It is hard to find good sources for educators until they get a major award from their professional society which recognizes the impact they have had. Art and design faculty are a particular problem since they make things instead of publishing things.

Weak Keep If I am understanding this correctly, he passes WP:NACADEMIC Criteria #3. If there is contention about this subject, ping me to take another look. Not watching.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:42, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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