Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stav (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 21:13, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stav (mind-body-spirit system)[edit]

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Non-notable created martial arts. No indication this has any significant impact. Certainly the claims of antiquity are exaggerated (see article's talk page).Peter Rehse (talk) 14:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 14:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing shows this is a notable martial art. It doesn't have a long verifiable history, it doesn't have many practitioners, and it lacks notable artists that practice the style. Reading the article's talk page makes it look even worse.Mdtemp (talk) 17:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable minor martial art without significant coverage in secondary sources. BenLinus1214 (talk) 17:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep probably passes WP:GNG with sufficient sources, might be better moved to a bio on Ivar Hafskjöld the creator. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What significant coverage did you find in reliable sources? Papaursa (talk) 05:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you asking this question? Are you saying that the sources below don't mention Ivar Hafskjold]? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crudelli, Chris (2008). The Way of the Warrior: Martial Arts and Fighting Styles from Around the World. DK ADULT. p. 280. ISBN 978-0-7566-3975-4.
Häggkvist, Carolina (April 19, 2005). "Stav - en livsstil" [Stav - a lifestyle]. Folkbladet (in Swedish). Retrieved February 17, 2010.
Nilsen, Thomas (December 7, 2001). "Stav - vikingenes "budosystem"" [Stav - The Vikings "System of Budo"]. Svart belte (in Norwegian). Retrieved February 17, 2010.[dead link]
Jacobsen Turner, David (April 17–24, 2008). "Vikingernes tai chi" [The Tai Chi of the Vikings]. Weekend avisen (in Danish). Retrieved February 17, 2010.

I was looking at two books in Odinsson and Rudgely which look self-publishedish but no worse than most newage materials. As I said I think I bio stub might be more appropriate. This certainly isn't notable as a martial art, and the martial art project tag should probably be replaced with WikiProject Neopaganism and cats adjusted. Removing it doesn't actually help discourage people being charged class fees. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete None of the coverage appears to qualify as significant so GNG is not met. In addition, there isn't anything to show this is a significant martial art. It exists, but it's not notable. Papaursa (talk) 05:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moved - whether deleted or not, it isn't primary topic for "Stav", have temporarily moved to Stav (mind-body-spirit system) .. a regrettable dab, but evidently no reliable source to claim "martial art" and this is what the practictioners call it. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:14, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Moving pages while an AFD is in progress is problematic for several reasons. Not least is that you force the closing admin to close it manually because the helper scripts will get confused. In this case they would actually delete the wrong page since you have now placed a dab page there. It is better to wait for the AFD to close and then do the move, if the article survives of course. SpinningSpark 19:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing to show this is a notable art or has any significant coverage. Claiming that self-published books are sufficient to show notability is not supported by an Wikipedia policies. Jakejr (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to a lack of significant independent coverage. If considered as a martial art, it lacks documented evidence of meeting anything listed at WP:MANOTE. Astudent0 (talk) 19:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.