Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stare (Three Days Grace song)

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stare (Three Days Grace song)[edit]

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First, the song fails any reasonable notablity criteria, either WP:GNG pr WP:NSONG. Second, the creator of the article can't seem to accept the fact that the band known as Groundswell is a distinct entity from the band Three Days Grace. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wrong band! Groundswell is not the same band as Three Days Grace. Binksternet (talk) 00:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, however you want to classify it, its a band consisting of Three Days Grace members performing together before they used the name Three Days Grace. (Allmusic's Bio describes it as the name the band originally formed under, while AXS describes it as "Beginning their careers under a different moniker".) So it's not exactly a crazy assertion. That being said, if such an article existed, it should be attributed to Groundswell, not Three Days Grace. Probably a moot point though... Sergecross73 msg me 13:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The only problem is that Groundswell disbanded and Three Days Grace formed well after. This isn't the same situation as The Quarrymen and The Beatles, or The Hype and U2. There was, according to our sources, a clean break. We address this in the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My comment - which was rewritten a few times as I kept finding sources, so perhaps its no longer clear - was originally more meant to address the fact that it doesn't really matter either way - it's not like its notability would be inherited by being a Three Days Grace song or something. Sergecross73 msg me 15:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 08:44, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Random song released well before band members had a breakout success or major record label signing. The probability of finding the sourcing to meet the WP:GNG is extremely low, probably similar to finding the sourcing of your average band's first demo recordings - almost zero. Sergecross73 msg me 13:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Pretty straightforward: the associated album does not have an article, that album is only briefly mentioned in the early history section of Three Days Grace, and that article does not mention this song as an item of historical interest (though it is listed, incorrectly, as a single in the band's template). More importantly, there is no evidence of this song receiving any media notice as an entity in its own right. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I just removed the song from Template:Three Days Grace because, y'know, it's not the same band. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.