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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The final comment has it exactly right; we should not be synthesizing content in a novel way, and if no other source treat the topic as we do, our article should not exist. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:02, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Starburst Intersection[edit]

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Appears to fail GNG, and interchanges are required to meet GNG. Most of the sources talk about the roads that intersect rather than the intersection itself. Other sources are not secondary. [1] comes close but comes off as part editorial. It is unclear whether Greater Greater Washington articles that come up in Google news can be considered reliable. Rschen7754 05:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename as Starburst Plaza, a phrase that already directs to the article. Starburst Plaza is the name of the plaza between the Bladensburg Road and Benning Road legs of the intersection. If the focus of the article is on the plaza rather than on the intersection, we can better evaluate whether the article should stand alone or be merged into a list of similar features like a hypothetical List of squares in Washington, D.C. or List of plazas in Washington, D.C..
    • Comment The plaza is just one component of the overall Starburst Intersection, arguably less important than the traffic configuration or history of how the streets came to be arranged, which dates back to the L'Enfant Plan. While the plaza may deserve its own article in the future, it is not the primary focus of this article. Annettet (talk) 01:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment—Greater Greater Washington is a volunteer-driven site that is more commentary and news-aggregator than actual news. The site has some journalistic value, but I would not consider it a reliable source. VC 19:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – The Starburst Intersection is a convergence of streets, neighborhoods, transit modalities, and District of Columbia communities past and present. It is referred to by this name in local news reports[1][2][3][4][5][6][7], real estate news[8][9], and materials produced by the D.C. government[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17]. I have modified the main article to include citations that are more "notable." Annettet (talk) 01:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – To the best of my knowledge this article is the only resource, online or otherwise, that connects the dots between the multiple aspects of this unique location in Washington, D.C. It would be a shame to erase this information from existence, particularly as the area continues to undergo rapid change and development. Over the last 90 days the article has consistently received 5-10 views per day. This may seem low by many standards, but indicates to me that there is a steady stream of people curious to learn about this place called the "Starburst Intersection". Annettet (talk) 01:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:36, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Per Annettet's utter failure to find significant coverage of this intersection despite major WP:REFBOMBing and the attempt to split this out from the topic of Starburst Plaza, which might have some notability. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's notable in Wikipedia terms. The "improved" article doesn't really discuss the intersection/area as a whole, just things that may have happened to pass through the area. A notable location would have references that provide significant coverage of the location itself, not merely things that happen to be in that location. The only source maybe giving SIGCOV (Giambrone 2015) does so for Starburst Plaza, but not Starburst Intersection. The views per day "argument" is totally spurious and the other arguments are appeals to emotion, not Wikipedia policy or guidelines. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I did not intentionally WP:REFBOMB (and in fact didn't know that was "a thing" until seeing the accusation in the previous comment). I was trying to make the case that the "Starburst Intersection" is a real place, referenced regularly by people who live in, work in, and work for the District of Columbia. Annettet (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think anybody is disputing the intersection exists. We're disputing it is notable for this encyclopedia. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Added photo of the historical marker at the Starburst Intersection. Annettet (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete—per Annettet. If no one else has connected the dots, we can't either. That would be the definition of WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. Imzadi 1979 → 13:29, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Weil, Martin (June 5, 2022). "Man slain in Northeast Washington". Washington Post. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  2. ^ "Man fatally shot on Benning Road in Northeast D.C." Washington Post. May 3, 2022. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  3. ^ Laris, Michael (October 22, 2018). "From Model T to driverless: Ford to launch fleet of robot cars in Washington". Washington Post. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  4. ^ Giambrone, Andrew (July 23, 2015). "At Starburst Plaza, a Community Tries to Combat Synthetic Drug Use". Washington City Paper. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  5. ^ Di Caro, Martin (April 7, 2015). "Before Passengers Grace D.C. Streetcar, Rails Already Under Repair". Washington City Paper. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  6. ^ Heim, Daniel (February 1, 2008). "Officials Hold Groundbreaking for H Street Trolley". Roll Call. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  7. ^ Smith, Max (March 26, 2019). "Redesign of Maryland Ave. in Northeast aims to improve safety". WTOP-FM. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  8. ^ Sernovitz, Daniel J. (October 5, 2021). "Hechinger Mall owners seeking replacement tenants after Modell's closes". Washington Business Journal. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  9. ^ "The 4 Big Developments Planned Around DC's Starburst Intersection". July 5, 2022. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  10. ^ "Transportation Technical Report, H Street/Benning Road Corridor, Washington, DC" (PDF). May 2013. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  11. ^ "DC Streetcar System Plan" (PDF). October 2010. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  12. ^ "Mayor Bowser to Join the Metropolitan Police Department at the Citywide National Night Out Kickoff". July 31, 2017. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  13. ^ "Appendix B, H St/Benning Maintenance Facilities (images)" (PDF). Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  14. ^ "Action Agenda Progress Report 2010" (PDF). Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  15. ^ "Maryland Ave NE Streetscape Project". Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  16. ^ "DC Streetcar System Plan" (PDF). Retrieved May 18, 2023.
  17. ^ "Florida Avenue Multimodal Transportation Study" (PDF). February 2015. Retrieved May 18, 2023.
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