Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wars: Sagas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. --Oxymoron⁸³ 09:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars: Sagas[edit]

NN free online game. No reliable sources given: there are several "reviews" from mudconnector.com, but they are user-submitted, and thus not reliable. Couldn't find any in a web search, probably because "Star Wars sagas" turns up a lot of other things rather than this. Mango juice^talk 03:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete After a few minutes of searching, I did not find anything except what has been found before. Nothing in a reliable source. spryde | talk 14:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am awaiting the owners of the game to give me links to their other notable sources. It is, indeed, hard for me to find them considering how many things seem to include 'Star Wars' and 'sagas' in their hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowbinky (talk • contribs) 14:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per spryde. No reliable sources. The vast majority of free online games are neither notable, verifiable, or encyclopedic, and nothing at all in the article suggests this is any exception. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I will note that the notability of this particular game, much like FiranMUX is a pregenerated character format. No other Star Wars or science fiction MU has this feature. It is distinctive and notable. I am trying to find the independent resources which point to this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.115.19.242 (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, is it also simply by virtue of the relatively short time of existance (Oct 2005)? There are quite a few articles that I've reviewed who have no real outside sources to suggest notability (Aetolia, The Midnight Age, Imperial DikuMUD, RivaMUSH, Tapestries MUCK, StarMUD and Shattered World to list a few). Is longevity a criteria? Truly, my intention is to make the article conform as best I can, if that is possible, despite being insulted halfway through this endeavor (to quote: "...or anything that really indicates that it's more than a few guys with a wiki server and too much time on their hands. If some of this is added 9and verified) then this might be allowed to stand. DJ Clayworth </wiki/User:DJ_Clayworth>" - full discussion available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Star_Wars:_Sagas for review). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowbinky (talk • contribs) 15:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. The existence of other articles with poor notability is reason to investigate those pages, not to keep this one; and while longevity can be a criterion, newness certainly doesn't confer notability. If the only notability of this game is that it is the only pregenerated Star Wars game, then that seems a bit too narrow for inclusion under either WP:WEB or the proposed guidelines at WP:RPG/N; if it were the first or only pregenerated game, or if it were the first or only Star Wars game, then it might be different. Percy Snoodle (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is not my intention to point to sites that don't meet the criteria in an attempt or as an excuse for this page not to be deleted. I have every intention on trying to get the page to meet the standards if at all possible. I still believe that given the huge number of online Star Wars MU-themed games, that this is the only one with the pregenerated system does make it more notable despite the assertion that it may seem too narrow under either WP:WEB or the proposed guidelines at WP:RPG/N. If I can find nothing in the next day or so, I will of course accept the decision made. Thanks again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.115.19.242 (talk) 17:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someone another (talk) 02:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this game cannot possibly be reviewed by any major games news sources, because I bet it hasn't properly licensed Star Wars, given it's free nature. User:Krator (t c) 10:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of credible, major news sources that review online, text-based games actually. I am awaiting replies from the administrators of the game as to whether this has been achieved and the links related. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowbinky (talk • contribs) 16:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Would the fact that Star Wars: Sagas pregenerated format was inspired by the pregen format instituted by FiranMUX - that Sagas is a genuine decendent of the format, both pregen and via various code systems written by staff from both games, have any effect on saving it from deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowbinky (talk • contribs) 00:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies; we could have been better at explaining the issue. The main issues are described at WP:N and WP:V. So, no, that would have no effect. Without non-trivial, independent, reliable sources, there can be no article. Mango juice^talk 05:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.