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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:29, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin's Soviet Elections (1936-1950) and Impact[edit]

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This basically appears to be an essay (a poorly-thought out subject from Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Miami/History of Communism (Spring 2021)), with nine of the sixteen references to other Wikipedia articles. We already have an article on Elections in the Soviet Union that could cover this topic. Article was prodded, but prod removed with no explanation given. Number 57 21:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Goldsztajn (talk) 05:01, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Goldsztajn (talk) 05:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article on Election in hte Soviet Union could indeed cover the topic, but it's a very brief stub. Some material here could be merged as a start as some of it is documented outside WP , but even better someone could write an actual article. There are abundant references available in English ()and of course other languages) DGG ( talk ) 22:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I genuinely struggle to find a single sentence that is useful; the content is written at a standard lower than my expectations of a junior high school student (and I attended high school in the southern USA for a period). In addition to the USSR elections article, there are also individual articles for the 1937, 1946 and 1950 elections. *However,* there is RS historical literature on elections and the Stalin period (some examples[1][2][3][4]), so the topic itself is notable, but even the title of this article is entirely inappropriate.

References

  1. ^ Carson, George Barr (1955). Electoral Practices in the U.S.S.R. F.A. Praeger.
  2. ^ KOGAN, MICHAEL (2012). "SHAPING SOVIET JUSTICE: Popular responses to the election of people's courts, 1948-1954". Cahiers du Monde russe. 53 (1): 121–139. ISSN 1252-6576.
  3. ^ Getty, J. Arch (1991). "State and Society under Stalin: Constitutions and Elections in the 1930s". Slavic Review. 50 (1): 18–35. doi:10.2307/2500596.
  4. ^ Jessen, Ralph; Richter, Hedwig, eds. (2011). Voting for Hitler and Stalin: Elections Under 20th Century Dictatorships. University of Chicago Press. ISBN 978-3-593-39489-3.
I've never previously recommended a TNT before at AfD...but there's always a first time for everything. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The page has been written for a current educational activity and so deletion would be disruption contrary to WP:BITE. The topic is clearly notable as Soviet elections during the Stalinist period are the subject of study and analysis in papers such as this and books such as that. The nomination says that "Elections in the Soviet Union that could cover this topic" but that other page is a weaker effort than the page in question and so has failed to do so. Our policies are clear: Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome and If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. WP:TNT is neither policy nor guideline – it is a scorched earth policy of total annihilation. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • If it's necessary to keep it for the student to be marked, it can be move to draftspace or back to their userspace. As per Goldsztajn's assessment, the article is awful and we should not be keeping it in mainspace just so someone can get graded on it. Number 57 11:59, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, the article in question is not awful. It explains the topic reasonably clearly in sections starting with the 1936 constitution, details of the voting process and the results of the three elections. It's better than the nomination's preferred alternative Elections in the Soviet Union. It's the nomination which is awful because it does not provide a policy-based reason to delete. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Elections in the Soviet Union, with corrections. Having a separate page for "Stalin's elections" is hardly justifiable because Soviet elections after Stalin were not very much different, although yes, there are sources on Soviet elections specifically for this period. I do not think the deletion would be proper because the provided info is basically correct, but, yes, the page was apparently written by a student. My very best wishes (talk) 17:37, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per nom, an essay of 90% unreliable sources. No idea why some editors think that just because it was perhaps made for educational reasons it should be kept. Calling nominating an Article for deletion as disruptive editing because it bites in their opinion new Editors is absolute nonsense. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:29, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to fix it, but yes, this content can only be merged to another page. I moved a part of the content. Now this page should be made a redrect. My very best wishes (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Except for the fact that the title violates multiple elements of WP:TITLE, eg NDESC (how are these elections in the possessive ownership of Stalin?), LOWERCASE, PRECISION (impact of what? on whom? what of Stalin's <sic> 1931 election?) etc. --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The content has already been merged to Elections in the Soviet Union by My very best wishes. The article under discussion is now a WP:REDUNDANTFORK with a title that is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article or even a redirect (not a plausible search term, see also Goldsztajn's comment above). Attribution for copyright purposes per WP:Copying within Wikipedia could trivially be done by listing the authors in a dummy edit over at Elections in the Soviet Union, so there is no need to retain the edit history here. To wit:
    • The text was written by Md188.
    • Arjayay removed a duplicate word.[1] I'm honestly not sure if this needs to be attributed.
    • Goszei did some minor formatting fixes.[2] I'm honestly not sure if this needs to be attributed.
    • My very best wishes copyedited the text before merging.
    • The rest of the edits were things that did not get merged and which therefore do not need to be attributed, if I understand things correctly.
Deleting the article without leaving a redirect (whether the closer calls this "delete" or "merge") should not be controversial. TompaDompa (talk) 23:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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