Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sree Rama Varma High School

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The result was keep. Sandstein 07:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sree Rama Varma High School[edit]

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~~A non notable schools. Fails GNG YogeshWarah^Talk 10:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)~~ WP:SOCKSTRIKE — MarkH₂₁^talk 00:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. YogeshWarah^Talk 10:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kerala-related deletion discussions. YogeshWarah^Talk 10:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Lacks citations, and needs a good amount of work, but it seems like a rather notable school. Largest in the area, with several notable alumni. Hell, it's got a museum too. But the lack of citations is what makes this a weak keep. AdoTang (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – notability seems fairly clear to me. The autobiographical book My Mother Called Me Unni: A Doctor's Tale of Migration discusses it in some detail, though it is through the filter of personal experience and anecdote (Google Books link, see pp. 20-30 and to some extent pp.119-120). Since the school has changed names a couple of times, and even the present name has some variations (some of them listed in the article), searching for sources is not straightforward, but based on the searches I have carried out I'd say it is very likely that there are sources. (Note that the nominator is a sockpuppet of a blocked user, per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. The article could still be deleted if the school is found not to be notable, but it was not a good-faith nomination.) --bonadea contributions talk 14:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

bonadea, on what basis you confirmed that I'm I am a sock of user: Phoenix Man. It's still not confirmed. They are just enquiring about it. YogeshWarah^Talk 05:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The only source that is in-depth is based on personal experience. Which doesn't cut it for the standards of notability. Even if it wasn't though, there would have to be "multiple" in-depth, independent sources. So, one on it's own doesn't cut it. There isn't anything from what I could find that does either. So, I'm not seeing what makes this keepable. Also, how exactly is the nominator a sockpuppet? As far as I can tell they are still very much active, there's zero about them potentially being a sockpuppet on their talk page, and I haven't found a report about it either. Someone should report them if they are a sock or not throw out unsubstantiated accusations. Not that it matters to the AfD anyway though. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, this user is a confirmed sock. You may also see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wahhid. The other SPI mentioned here also confirmes it and is waiting for administrator action. This user also has history of nominating lot of articles about schools for AFD. Regards Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 05:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kashmorwiki: I'm aware that's the accusation since you've said they are in other places. The problem is that in the meantime they are still contributing and haven't been blocked. While it looks like the other accounts that they are supposedly connected to seems to have been. So, either they aren't really a sock, they aren't going to be blocked even though they are one, or it just hasn't been resolved yet. Whatever the case, from the investigation discussion it seems not as cut as dry as your making out to be and the investigation is on going. I don't believe Wikipedia (or AfDs) should grind to a holt just because someone is being accused of something. Especially in cases where it's not clear that they actually did it or are going to get blocked. That and the linked discussion is especially convoluted. Even the admins trying to resolve the whole thing has said as much. Which really doesn't help. Given all that, I rather procced as normal until there's clear evidence and a solid outcome to determine that we shouldn't. BTW, there's also nothing inherently wrong with nominating a bunch of schools articles for deletion. You've nominated more then a few yourself. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adamant1, I have no issues with this user nominating schools for AFD. In fact, I had voted as Delete in most of the AFD's this user opened up because most of them failed GNG. What I tried to convey was, Bonadea was completely right. Thats all. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 12:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This is one of the oldest schools in the state. See this source from Hindu published in 2003. [1]. One HUNDRED and fifty-seven years old. That's the age of Sree Rama Varma High School, (S. R. V. School), bang in the heart of Kochi has a great story to unfold.; this is the opening sentence and I am unable to read the full article as subscription is required. This school has an historical significance and printed sources published during its 150th anniversary might be available in Malayalam newspapers. But its hard to find. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 06:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep agreed with Kashmorwiki, a lot of junk exist on Wikipedia. It is certainty in good condition and may be improved.Heba Aisha (talk) 15:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call an article where if the un-sourced material gets deleted all that's left is the notable alumni one that's in "good condition." Let alone improvable. Otherwise, some someone should provide sources outside of the notable alumni section to improve it with. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adamant1, just for your information, the nom has been finally blocked as a sock. Regards. Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 04:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Thanks for letting me know. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - historically significant; I agree with the arguments of the keep voters in this case. Also, the AfD was started by a confirmed block-evading sockpuppet. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: is there a policy or guideline somewhere about how to handle AfDs that were started by confirmed socks? I can understand striking out their comments, but I can't find anything in the policies that says AfDs created by socks can't go through with the process if there has already been substantive discussion by legitimate users when it's confirmed that they are a sockpuppet. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamant1: There's just WP:CSK#4, which does not apply if other editors have made substantive comments. — MarkH₂₁^talk 04:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As long as people aren't swayed too much by Phoenix Man's comments then I guess I'm okay for the discussion to stand. I just feel it's hard for a discussion started by a vandalism-only sock to not have a strong influence from that sock. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:15, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.