Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spouse of the Prime Minister of Singapore

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 12:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spouse of the Prime Minister of Singapore[edit]

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There is no such official position, and spouses of the prime minister do not undertake any official dealings on behalf of the government. They accompany their husbands on diplomatic trips, but are not accorded any special rights or privileges separate from their husband. The entire article is unsourced, and complicated further by Ho Ching's activities undertaken as CEO of Temasek Holdings, which does not reflect on her position as a spouse of the Prime Minister. Seloloving (talk) 05:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete entirely unsourced; "not an elected position, carries no official duties, and brings no salary." and is not a thing! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:59, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Completely agree with the above. Athel cb (talk) 09:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This not a formal or even informal social institution of any sorts, and whatever notable things these spouses do could be covered on their own articles if they have their own notability. The Article amounts to OR and conjecture. -Indy beetle (talk) 10:41, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. not a formalised institution like that of First Lady of the United States and First Lady of Colombia. – robertsky (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep We have lists of this sort for most countries and it would be a bizarrely capricious insult to this country to delete this one. The people in question received appropriate acknowledgement on diplomatic and state occasions (see right) and Kwa Geok Choo had a state funeral. The worst case would be merger to the List of prime ministers of Singapore per our policies WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would just like to add that there's nothing to preserve. The entire page on the roles of a spouse is unsourced despite my best efforts to hunt for sources today. I am from Singapore and self-nominated this article for deletion as spouses of the prime minister quite literally have no duties to perform for the government. Kwa's state funeral itself generated controversy back then as she was not a civil servant. Seloloving (talk) 13:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom, not a formalised institution/title anyway CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Not a formalised position, but could be edited to make that clear. But the material on the page as it stands is pretty thin. Atchom (talk) 03:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am persuaded by the comments above that this is not a thing (as a side note, we should probably have WP:NOTATHING for linking in discussions). I think the spirit of WP:NOTINHERITED/WP:INVALIDBIO can be applied here. I find the argument that it would be an insult to Singapore to delete this list on the grounds that there are many articles in Category:Lists of spouses of national leaders thoroughly unconvincing—that's just another way of saying WP:Similar articles exist, which is one of the WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Indeed, if there are other articles in that category to which the same arguments for deletion apply, those articles should also be brought to WP:AfD.
I think it would be terribly inappropriate to merge this to List of prime ministers of Singapore, as was suggested above. I am reminded of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandra Grant Bennett and its associated Deletion Review, where S Marshall said I think it's important to treat women as people in their own right and not as accessories to their husbands or their husbands' careers. Merging this content to List of prime ministers of Singapore would indeed be treating the PM spouses as accessories to the PMs and their careers. Moreover, who the PM's spouse is is a biographical detail unrelated to the role as PM. The proper place for that piece of biographical information is the biographical article about the individual PM. And of course, each individual spouse of a Singaporean PM can have a biographical article if they are independently notable, where the same information about who they're married to can be presented from the opposite direction, so to speak. TompaDompa (talk) 00:44, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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