Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space Nazis (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Nazis in fiction. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Space Nazis[edit]

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A giant wad of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. While it is clear that Space Nazis are a recurring trope, nothing proves said trope is notable, rather than just TVTropes fodder. There are plenty of tropes that aren't sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, and in some cases this is just confused for "authoritarian species in space" regardless of their ideology. The previous deletion discussion cited no sources as to the claim that it is notable. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:12, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously examples exist, but Delete per nom unless someone can link some decent literary study of the idea. / edg ☺ ☭ 00:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as OR.--Theredproject (talk) 00:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep [1] seems like substantial coverage of the trope, and I'm sure there are other sources. The existing article is bad enough I wouldn't object to a TNT deletion. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- You are welcome to rewrite the article and prove notability (per WP:HEY), but just that journalistic fluff article certainly won't put it past the WP:GNG threshold. It will need a number of significant examinations of the trope._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Propose to merge Space Nazis into Nazis in fiction. Further propose to move content from Space Nazis merely describing science fiction with Nazi-like aesthetics but not specific mention of Nazis to Nazi chic and rename Nazi chic to "Nazi aesthetic in popular culture" with redirect from "Nazi chic." Link to merger discussion. Audiovideodiscoo (talk) 19:56, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with this proposal. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The problem I have with this proposal is acceptance of, for example, articles like Headcrab. Space Nazis is a far broader and more broadly relevant topic, with solid base in 20th century popular literature, plus the article is technically better, infoboxes, etc. Would it make it in a "real encyclopedia?" with an aim for conciseness? Maybe not at 4Gb of compressed text. But upwards of 12Gb..Corella (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While I"m here, check out Vortigaunt for laughs. How deep does the rabbithole go?Corella (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You are free to nominate those other articles for deletion if you think they're equally non notable. It may very well work, as people are now coming out against articles with far more sourcing than those._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:45, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I think this is a relatively bad and unpolished article about a relatively important subject, certainly one that romps Wikipedia:PTEST for example. The general character infobox included has potential but could also be improved. Neglected article (as opposed to those other ones I quoted).Corella (talk) 14:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Space Nazis → Nazis in fiction, as per the proposal of Audiovideodiscoo. With that said, I believe that the "Nazis in space" trope can be important enough to stand on its own, but this article is poorly referenced and disorganized at this point, and does not do the topic justice. If several scholarly, published opinions can be introduced and cited regarding this fiction trope, I am willing to reconsider my present stance. But merging is, in my opinion, the best solution for the time being. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 05:46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.